HansMustermann
Penultimate Amazing
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Not to distract from some very lovely arguments but it doesn't work that way. Back when I was Christian and full of faith, I just knew. If you had asked me that question, I would have looked inward and found a definitive affirmative answer.
I probably would have ended up arguing about what I do or how I should act in order to show gratitude for having been saved. Being saved was a done deal.
Well, I guess everyone finds some answers, some more comical than others.
The Catholics, for example, have the hilarious answer of effectively making an apostle and gospel writer not just wrong, but anathema. No, seriously. The Council Of Trent had infallibly proclaimed that anyone holding the opinion that someone saved can't sin ever again, is anathema. They don't explicitly name John there, but, you know, he does say exactly what qualifies for anathema in that ruling
So your looking inside still would have been saner than that
I was more like asking how would one reconcile it with the fact that the Bible literally says it ain't so, and even offers a test to falsify that conclusion. I mean, sure, you'd look inside and be sure you're full of God's grace. But how would you have reconciled it with the Bible literally saying that if you've EVER sinned even a tiny little since your last getting that grace OR didn't quite love some neighbour, you haven't ever had it in the first place?
(Incidentally, speaking of Catholics, that at least used to be a major heresy too. Nobody could know if they have God's grace. No, seriously, that was one of the trick questions they asked of Joan d'Arc for example. Had she said that, yes, she can feel she's full of God's grace, they could have spared themselves a few days of trial and marched her to the stake right there and then.)
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