Merged Skeptics vs. Knowers/Believers

kitakaze said:
I'm sorry, KotA, but that is another analogy of yours that is confusing and misleading. I'm sorry, we're you referring to the man for whom's existence is a proven fact. I mean, is there a paucity of reliable evidence for Osama?
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Osama EXISTS, his last dated material is a few months old (?). He is likely somewhere in the tribal lands of Pakistan and Afghanistan. BUT WE CAN'T FIND HIM. Even though we have the best most capable people looking.

kitakaze said:
This seems like more strong cognitive dissonance to me. Absence of evidence is evidence of successful hiding? Once again, how does a sentient species that evolved from previous forms of life, became technologically capable, and surpassed humans in that regard on our own planet not leave any archeological or paleontological evidence of it's existence? Just try and suss it out in your head. Imagine we were going to try and do that. Where would we even start to remove all reliable evidence of our presence on Earth?
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Maybe we've been taking credit for 'their' work(s)...?

kitakaze said:
Why am I feeling all James Cameron-y? Somebody get Ed Harris in here and we'll sort it out. Let's get the question straight, though, are you talking about the bottom of the sea now or the bottom of the sea from eons ago? I'm talking about an entire sentient, technological species evolution. I can easily point out to you plenty of places that contain the evidence of a species passing that was then on the bottom of the sea but now is on dry land.
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It's a big, unexplored, nigh almost unreachable local... Where's my liquid oxygen suit? I'll let you guys know what I find.

kitakaze said:
Show me the one you had in mind and we'll talk about it.
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I'll get back to you.
 
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King of the Americas said:
Osama EXISTS, his last dated material is a few months old (?). He is likely somewhere in the tribal lands of Pakistan and Afghanistan. BUT WE CAN'T FIND HIM. Even though we have the best most capable people looking.
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I still don't get it. Bin Laden is proven to exist. We have proof the man existed on planet Earth. Osama's not real. That's just some boogeyman teh guverment made up. Uh, no. Real guy, here's the proof. You see what I mean? Now if there is a civilization of sentient beings that evolved before us on Earth and was able to go over millenia becoming so advanced as to completely surpass us in every way, so much as to be able to operate craft in seemingly impossible manner and yet there whole existence is absent from the archaeological record? Unless...

Maybe we've been taking credit for 'their' work(s)...?
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That would be a handy way around that. Any ideas on specific works of The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu that we're taking credit for? A special pyramid or undersea something, perhaps? It's quite odd that we missed the entire point of their history where they got close to then completely surpassed our own civilization.

It's a big, unexplored, nigh almost unreachable local... Where's my liquid oxygen suit? I'll let you guys know what I find.
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I'm a little lost. Are you insinuating the The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu are hiding under the sea á la The Abyss or is it that their fossil and archeaological remains are hidden there?

I'll get back to you.
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Something I can google at least?
 
King of the Americas said:
Your behavior makes baby gebus cry.

:(
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why is that, does baby gebus like people who make unsupported assertions and who lie to make up the lack of reality in their hypothesis and then refuse to talk to people they have actually learned from.

is gebus some kind of woo god then ?

I asked you a simple question, that you refuse to answer it publically speaks volumes

:p
 
Burning Beard said:
What if somebody else asked the same question? Would you give the same cop-out then?

Because I am curious.
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that'd be cool, but then you'd have to post my responses back to him because otherwise he wouldn't learn anything

no... wait...
:D
 
King of the Americas said:
Sure. Ask away.
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You mentioned "building sites featuring super-hard stone, with precision cuts, that bronze age chisels couldn't accomplish."

I was fascinated by the concept of "ancient aliens" as a child. Are you able to name one (or a few, up to you) site and provide me with links pertaining to these buildings and precision cuts?

Thanks.
 
kitakaze said:
I still don't get it. Bin Laden is proven to exist. We have proof the man existed on planet Earth. Osama's not real. That's just some boogeyman teh guverment made up. Uh, no. Real guy, here's the proof. You see what I mean? Now if there is a civilization of sentient beings that evolved before us on Earth and was able to go over millenia becoming so advanced as to completely surpass us in every way, so much as to be able to operate craft in seemingly impossible manner and yet there whole existence is absent from the archaeological record? Unless...
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Alright... My point is that we KNOW he exists and his general location, AND yet with all of our technological capabilities, we've yet to capture him/get physical evidence that he's 'still' alive.

kitakaze said:
That would be a handy way around that. Any ideas on specific works of The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu that we're taking credit for? A special pyramid or undersea something, perhaps? It's quite odd that we missed the entire point of their history where they got close to then completely surpassed our own civilization.
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There's a specific site in central S.A., but I keep forgetting the name of it...

"Ongo bongo", or something like that...

The lines cut into the stone were uber-precise, and appeared 'machined'.

Still looking.

kitakaze said:
I'm a little lost. Are you insinuating the The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu are hiding under the sea á la The Abyss or is it that their fossil and archeaological remains are hidden there?
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Maybe- both...

kitakaze said:
Something I can google at least?
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I don't have anything on-hand/specific, in mind.

Here's a link: http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/radarcases.htm

But I am having difficulty procuring THE actual radar image...

What would that 'look' like?
 
Burning Beard said:
You mentioned "building sites featuring super-hard stone, with precision cuts, that bronze age chisels couldn't accomplish."

I was fascinated by the concept of "ancient aliens" as a child. Are you able to name one (or a few, up to you) site and provide me with links pertaining to these buildings and precision cuts?

Thanks.
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Still looking for the specific site, I had in mind...

I've only seen it mentioned a couple of times, on the Discovery/History channel in a mysterious works broadcast.

FOUND IT!

"Puma Punku"

http://hubpages.com/hub/Ancient-Mysteries-Puma-Punku-in-Tiahuanaco

http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_6.htm
 
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Hm. So second- or third-hand, vaguely reported examples of things that may or may not have actually been on television some time ago.

You've convinced me. :rolleyes:
 
I've seen a couple of "documentaries" about those "mysterious straight lines" but they were explained by perfectly natural processes.

One was here in New Zealand where people were trying to prove pre-Maori settlers.
 
Burning Beard said:
I've seen a couple of "documentaries" about those "mysterious straight lines" but they were explained by perfectly natural processes.

One was here in New Zealand where people were trying to prove pre-Maori settlers.
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I've got a piece of granite I am carving/chipping on right now.

I started on it, with a 'sharpened' hardened steel chisel. 15 minutes later, I had a dull tool, and only minor bruises on the stone. So, I bought a carbide tipped chisel, and I'm back at it.

This tool makes a huge difference...but I fear that the polishing/finishing the stone will test my abilities. You should see how fast this stuff dulls a diamond tipped dremel tool...

I can't imagine making those cuts w/o a machine(s) or carbide tipped tools.
 
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Burning Beard said:
Thanks. Have heard of that place, some stunning buildings/ruins there.

The fact that we don't know how some of those cuts were made is far from evidence of ancient alien visitors though.
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Wait, didn't you ask me to show you something 'we' didn't do?

So, I show you an example, to which you say "that's not evidence"...

And please stop with the "aliens" garb. There's no need to require that they be from anywhere, but 'here'.
 
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Burning Beard said:
Uuum, no. I only asked for a link or two pointing to the mysterious monuments you mentioned, which you presented, thanks.

What leads you to believe they weren't created by humans?
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My own experience attempting to shape stone...

2500 years ago, dremel didn't exist, and neither did carbide tipped tools.

Can you perhaps provide any insight into the stone carving abilities, of the ancient South Americans?

How long would it take to carve one diorite stone without hardened steel?


I'm not even sure you 'could' do it at all without harden steel!

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I've been shaping stone for a while, but most of what I've done was with a dremel, sand paper and water. Most of my experience has been with soft stones- limestone, sandstone, and a little marble. This is my first 'hard' stone, and I may well have bit off ore than I can chew. With other materials, I found that I could make headway, with sharp tools and a little motivation, but this granite...this stuff resists my attempts, destroys my tools, and then smiles back, as if to say, "You're gonna be here for a while, buddy."

I'll do some experiments with 'soft metals', and report back.
 
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