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Simple question for Bigfoot enthusiasts: Why no unambiguous photos/videos?

I'll repeat my earlier observation that not all reported sightings need to be true in order for some to be possibly true, or to inspire investigation into the origins of the phenomenon.

That of course brings us to the problem of deciding what's good and what's bad. This is not a process that Bigfoot enthusiasts seem to be able to agree upon.

I have serious doubts about the Lake Worth creature and indeed, all other sightings in Texas. The gray-haired anthropologist lady with glasses (whose name I've forgotten) who did the "Ask Science" presentation threw out the "200" number when I've routinely heard 2000 from other sources.

Most Bigfooters with a lick of sense know they need to be talking about numbers in the thousands. Two thousand still, I think, would not be enough to account for the reports. Krantz was of the mind that they were doing quite fine and that there were at least several thousand. I think Eugenie Scott was referencing some footer arguing 200. I can't stress enough how excellent I thought her lecture was. I think any problems like mentioning west rather than east Texas were superficial.

The last known Giganto. fossil dates from about 300,000 ya. Natural selection would of course have continued during that time, perhaps producing a "Patty"-like animal with morphology adapted to bipedal locomotion and a smaller jaw than that formerly necessary for a foliovorous diet. I'm not suggesting that "Patty" is definitely one such animal (you know my reservations about "her"), simply that such an animal as I've described might conjecturally exist.

Remember, such an evolution to an omnivorous diet would bring Giganto in direct competition with human ancestors. And that would bring us to the fall down odds of Patty as Giganto descendant evolving the exact same limb proportions as the only guy to ever claim to be her. But we know what we think about that.


That's a damn good question. The question in my mind isn't the "9000 calorie" question -- bears and wolves used to live in this exact same location, somehow finding enough nutrition to sustain their populations -- but rather how a conjectured large primate would go about (mostly) avoiding detection after decades of human activity in their conjectured habitat. It's a damn good question.

Thank you. I haven't seen an answer from Texas' TBRC but Oklahoma's MABRC has cracked out enough to suggest that Bigfoot is intrinsically intelligent enough to understand the concept of game cams and the inherent threat they pose to their eluding humans. They suggest the sasquatches will throw an object in front of the game cam and after it takes a shot, scuttle by unsnapped while the camera recovers.

They might be related to orangs, but that does not perforce mean that all of their behaviors are going to be exactly like orangs. Humans and chimps have very different sets of behaviors, despite our close kinship. I propose the danger call as one possible means of human avoidance; perhaps it's used among the single-female-with-young groups, of whom there are fewer reported sightings, while the solitary males have no such warning system, leading to their more frequent reported sightings. This is all conjecture on my part, a kind of educated guessing game.

The other alternative being that the average person making up Bigfoot fantasies, while being imaginative, is not imaginative enough to break the beast man mold and throw in some kids or females.

"Abuse the Farce, Fluke!" If there are Jedi bigfoot, I wonder if there are Sith bigfoot as well? This could be the next area ripe for study! Darth Sasquatch: Misunderstood Misanthrope, or Tragic Hero of the Bigfoot Wars? YOU be the judge.

If Jedi Bigfoots are like wookie Bigfoots, there may be very few. Burgstahlian Bigfoots do employ Sith-like abilities, including stealth and affect mind techniques.

Whoever completely understood that can join me in the Hall of the Sad.
 
I think I'm starting to see the obsession/addiction to Bigfoot threads.

It's like being a moth and encountering a fearsomely bright light of stupidity.
You know it will burn, but how can you stay away?

Slowly we are turning you. Soon your transformation will be complete.

...muWAHAHAHA!!!

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fell teh bern, mang... kthxbai
 
Can I add that Bigfoot is nothing more than conjecture. may be nothing more than conjecture.
Or will hairy tree stumps suffice. (My Evidence)
I guess I could assign certain living habits of Gorillas, Chimps, and Orangutans to my Tree stump. And once you find my Hairy Tree stump, it will be an easy study (no more conjecture) it doesn't move much.
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Dark Stump.
 
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These are just opinions and guesses, mind you, not substantiated fact. This is the kind of question that merits entire books being written, as opposed to slim, late-night discussion-board messages based on sheer conjecture."

(Quote from Kit): "Yes, Bill Munns said something similar to that, I believe... "

I did??? Care to jog my memory?
 
Can I add that Bigfoot is nothing more than conjecture. may be nothing more than conjecture.
Or will hairy tree stumps suffice. (My Evidence)
I guess I could assign certain living habits of Gorillas, Chimps, and Orangutans to my Tree stump. And once you find my Hairy Tree stump, it will be an easy study (no more conjecture) it doesn't move much.
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Dark Stump.

Track down someone named Creekfreak. He can do wonders with that stump!
 
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Did you know the average American never figured how to set their VCR clocks? Do you know the average intelligence of bigfoot hunters and their corresponding capabilities of properly operating a camcorder? The few who have are worthy of Monsterquest and other shows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL9Wu2kWwSY

So, basically, you're arguing that bigfoot believers aren't very smart, lol. Not much of a defense on the issue if you ask me.

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That's a damn good question. The question in my mind isn't the "9000 calorie" question -- bears and wolves used to live in this exact same location, somehow finding enough nutrition to sustain their populations -- but rather how a conjectured large primate would go about (mostly) avoiding detection after decades of human activity in their conjectured habitat. It's a damn good question.

It wouldn't....that's the point.

My guess would be that if bigfoot (plural) exist, then they must have learned to be cautious of human beings, perhaps helping one another avoid humans by means of an "enemy!" call or a similar enculturated response, known among some primate species.

I guess Patty skipped class the day that lesson was taught. Instead of avoiding humans, she did everything she could to be seen, and videotaped no less, by two humans.

Do they also call out to warn one another of all the camera traps spread out all across this country...the same camera traps that catch clear photos of other elusive creatures that DO exist?

If we can get a pic of a raccoon riding a wild boar, I think we should have a decent pic of a bigfoot by now.

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If we can get a pic of a raccoon riding a wild boar, I think we should have a decent pic of a bigfoot by now.

[qimg]http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/game-cam-coon.jpg[/qimg]

I will never, ever get tired of seeing that. Best game cam shot ever.

JcR, what can we have you do with this?
 
So, basically, you're arguing that bigfoot believers aren't very smart, lol. Not much of a defense on the issue if you ask me.
And not true. Have another look at the video at Post18 by Kitakaze.
And a separate myakka ape video. Typical guys in the trees vid:



Notice that the figure being tracked is always in focus? There is no hunting by the camcorders autofocus as they zoom in and out or track across contrasting foreground and background - unlike most blobsquatch and ufo video.

Also no flaring when the camera pans from relatively dark forest to zoomed in on a (by contrast) bright "clearing" where the subject is.

I have a particularly good digital camcorder, and to have achieved this sort of exposure and focus control I would have had to preset the focus and aperture/exposure manually in order for this video not to be a flaring, blurry mess.

So to claim that bf proponents can't capture a non-blurry image due to incompetence with imaging equipment is patently false.

Of course the subject of the video is completely obscured, so a non-blurry video of an alleged bf is still useless as evidence.

How convenient.:rolleyes:
 
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If we can get a pic of a raccoon riding a wild boar, I think we should have a decent pic of a bigfoot by now.

[qimg]http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/game-cam-coon.jpg[/qimg]

:clap: Well done. A near perfect Chewbacca defense. I am impressed.
 
Personally I think all the videos I've seen are unambiguous (obviously fake). So I don't know what you are referring to.

A little Photoshop action can have a Bigfoot hoisting that coon on a hog.

Imagine the implications of Bigfoot Tossing a 200 lb hog, with a Raccoon hanging on for dear life.
 
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Imagine the implications of Bigfoot Tossing a 200 lb hog, with a Raccoon hanging on for dear life.

All because the raccoon laughed at him for trying to open a can of baked beans with a screwdriver.
 
Here is the Bigfoot needed for the throw...

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Here is the pig and rider...

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And can Money fit in the mix?



At the very least we could have a JREF Bigfoot skeptic mascot. There could possibly be a coat of arms, even.
 

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