Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

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Melissa said:
How about simply not trying to guess how people are going to react to something.

Thats exactly what you did, and now you chose to lecture me for a simple comment (which by the way, was a very fair comment to make). You dont know what Tubes reasons are for not agreeing to do this show. Maybe it is me, maybe its not. I stepped out of it, before anyone asked me, and before the invite was sent to Tube. Because I really do think both sides of this debate are important, I also didnt want Tube to think he was about to be ambushed (which happens often).



"Slight sense of context"?? LMAO. So, are you the spokesperson for tube? LMAO. If you can name one guest that has been on our show, that you felt was treated unfairly - then I could understand why you felt you needed to make this comment, if not --- thats just sad, and shame on you.

You meant to do exactly what you did do.
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Melissa,

You wouldn't put up with this off topic crap on your board, why do you think it's O.k. here?


Take it to a P.M. ..

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Melissa said:
How about simply not trying to guess how people are going to react to something.

Thats exactly what you did, and now you chose to lecture me for a simple comment (which by the way, was a very fair comment to make). You dont know what Tubes reasons are for not agreeing to do this show. Maybe it is me, maybe its not. I stepped out of it, before anyone asked me, and before the invite was sent to Tube. Because I really do think both sides of this debate are important, I also didnt want Tube to think he was about to be ambushed (which happens often).
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Well, I think I can be forgiven for making a suggestion why tube might decline the offer. It's not as though he's a stranger to me, I consider him a friend. It doesn't mean I've never disagreed with him or can't be impartial. Nevertheless, tube can specify his reasons himself if he so choses. Again, your trying to be impartial as am I. I think it's unnecessary to characterize my comments as a 'lecture'. That's not my intention at all. Can you entertain the possibility?
Melissa said:
"Slight sense of context"?? LMAO. So, are you the spokesperson for tube? LMAO. If you can name one guest that has been on our show, that you felt was treated unfairly - then I could understand why you felt you needed to make this comment, if not --- thats just sad, and shame on you.

You meant to do exactly what you did do.
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Sad and shame on me? Well, that's harsh, if not at least abrasive. Melissa, I think you're seeing conflict where there is none. You're going on the defense, thinking your impartiality is being questioned. I'm only saying that there may be the rather simple human element explanation. I said:
It's of course only natural and expected for tube to turn down the offer as it would mean agreeing to be interviewed by someone with whom he has an on-going disagreement.
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Translation: Matt Crowley may want to have nothing to do with Melissa Hovey or anything she's involved in. How about we just drop it and let tube speak for himself if he likes? I didn't mean any offence and I apologize if it came across that way but you certainly did mean offence. Let's not get too jumpy.
 
Well I have more bad news, unfortunately. DesertYeti also has declined to be interviewed. His reason was "Radio's just not my thang, I'm afraid."

That leaves us with Dr. Begun and he hasn't responded yet. Suggestions for other guests are welcome. :)
 
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Teresa.Hall said:
Well I have more bad news, unfortunately. DesertYeti also has declined to be interviewed. His reason was "Radio's just not my thang, I'm afraid."

That leaves us with Dr. Begun and he hasn't responded yet. Suggestions for other guests are welcome. :)
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It's convenient how I get to say so after the fact but I thought that might be the case. If you had asked him to a round of 'yo mama' in the humour section, that might be different. He'd win, of course. (Unless it was against me.) I will say that I have no idea what Dr. Begun (Bond, anyone?) will say but I hope it's yes.
 
Hmmmmm...

What about moving on, leaving personal motivations aside and discussing some evidence or reasoning on the main subject- bigfoot?

Preferentially, new data/reasonings. Or something we have not discussed yet or just skimmed through.

Any suggestions?
 
Diogenes said:
Melissa,

You wouldn't put up with this off topic crap on your board, why do you think it's O.k. here?


Take it to a P.M. ..

:)
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Awww Diogenes - it sure wasnt off topic when it was someone else (whom you agree with often) who actually brought the conversation forward. I did not make my motives or anything the issue, you did and others.

If you cant handle the responses, then I suggest you dont ask the questions.
 
Correa Neto said:
Hmmmmm...

What about moving on, leaving personal motivations aside and discussing some evidence or reasoning on the main subject- bigfoot?

Preferentially, new data/reasonings. Or something we have not discussed yet or just skimmed through.

Any suggestions?
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I think thats a marvelous suggestion, and one that is over due. However, dont expect people to sit back and have things thrown in their direction and not respond, especially when its blatently untrue or when they are jumping to conclusions before they know what is truly going on.

I can discuss bigfoot all day :)

Kitakazee said:
How about we just drop it and let tube speak for himself if he likes?
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Well, thats exactly what you should have done to begin with, dont ya think? Dont get self-righteous because you got caught in your own games. Tubes reasons are his own - I am not speculating on why he refused, I hardly doubt Tube is afraid of me - good lord. I would imagine there are times he would love to have a free for all exchange with me. I dont pretend to know how others think, Im not sure why others do.
 
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Here's my attempt to get back on track.

Foster Zygote posted a couple of links
http://www.geocities.com/stegob/mayorarticle.html
http://www.geocities.com/stegob/firstfossilhunters.html

on elephant skeletons being taken by ancient Greeks and Romans (and also early Christians) as remains of giants and cyclops. Skeletons may have been rearraned and/or combined with bones from other species to create skeletons of giants for ehxibitions. Some were even buried in coffins.

Could something like this be contributed to the formation of bigfoot myth?

Native american stubles on a mammoth or mastodon skeleton at an eroded riverbank (note that the odds are the remains would be scattered and or partial). He/she compares femur with human bone and a myth about giants is born.
 
Correa Neto said:
Here's my attempt to get back on track.

Foster Zygote posted a couple of links
http://www.geocities.com/stegob/mayorarticle.html
http://www.geocities.com/stegob/firstfossilhunters.html

on elephant skeletons being taken by ancient Greeks and Romans (and also early Christians) as remains of giants and cyclops. Skeletons may have been rearraned and/or combined with bones from other species to create skeletons of giants for ehxibitions. Some were even buried in coffins.

Could something like this be contributed to the formation of bigfoot myth?

Native american stubles on a mammoth or mastodon skeleton at an eroded riverbank (note that the odds are the remains would be scattered and or partial). He/she compares femur with human bone and a myth about giants is born.
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Thats a very interesting theory you have (no sarcasm). Question, how do the stories and descriptions then come in? I am not sure if there were apes at all in north america, that would have been seen by native americans. So, what would they be referencing?
 
Melissa said:
Awww Diogenes - it sure wasnt off topic when it was someone else (whom you agree with often) who actually brought the conversation forward. I did not make my motives or anything the issue, you did and others.

If you cant handle the responses, then I suggest you dont ask the questions.
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Try arguing that with yourself on your board ..

Then suspend yourself for two weeks...


I didn't say it wasn't off topic or that I don't go off topic.

I was just pointing out your hypocrisy .
 
Melissa said:
Well, thats exactly what you should have done to begin with, dont ya think?
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I've already specified why I made a suggestion why tube might decline the offer. It's not the big deal you're making it out to be.
Melissa said:
Dont get self-righteous because you got caught in your own games.
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I'm being self-righteous and got caught playing games? I really think your taking this far too personally. Maybe there's a reason for that but I'm really not trying to contribute to it.
Melissa said:
Tubes reasons are his own - I am not speculating on why he refused, I hardly doubt Tube is afraid of me - good lord. I would imagine there are times he would love to have a free for all exchange with me.
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Fair enough. But, you do speculate, right? You did it when Diogenes suggested Dr. Begun. Here it is:
Melissa said:
Whats wrong Diogenes? Don't think "one of your own" has a strong enough argument?
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You could have examined the suggestion but you didn't. You got personal. You don't seem to practice what you preach. I'm guessing there's an explanation for that.
Melissa said:
I dont pretend to know how others think, Im not sure why others do.
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I often take care to preface what I say with 'IMHO' or 'I think' or something to that effect. In this case no such qualifier is necessary. You are in fact pretending to know what I think. I wish you wouldn't seeing as how you're really missing the mark.

Melissa said:
I dont have to - its as clear as your font.
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Then you didn't need to comment, did you? But since you are doing so now, and insist on creating conflict where there is none, why don't you state very clearly what you think my intentions are since you seem so sure of them? Greg has a very good point. You don't tolerate this sort of behaviour on your own board but IMHO you are very quick to engage in it elsewhere.
 
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Told ya' the popcorn would come in handy.

Diogenes mentioned this subject early in this thread, I believe.

Who would believers accept as qualified to tell a bigfoot "expert" that he's wrong?
 
Correa Neto said:
Could something like this be contributed to the formation of bigfoot myth?

Native american stubles on a mammoth or mastodon skeleton at an eroded riverbank (note that the odds are the remains would be scattered and or partial). He/she compares femur with human bone and a myth about giants is born.
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Maybe, but I would sooner look to human psychological tendencies of imparting fearful traits to those outside their social groups.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Told ya' the popcorn would come in handy.

Diogenes mentioned this subject early in this thread, I believe.

Who would believers accept as qualified to tell a bigfoot "expert" that he's wrong?
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IMHO I don't think there are any bigfoot "experts" That statement probably isn't going to be popular with the bigfoot believers either, but again, JMHO. There are people who are classified as experts in their field (trackers, guides, etc) and specialists in their field (fingerprint specialist, forensics specialists, etc) and then there are the scientists who specialize in one "ology" or another, but the thing they all have in common is they have tangible objects to specialize or be experts of. I can't think of anyone I'd call a bigfoot "expert."

That wasn't the gist of your question though. That might be a question best put to the bigfoot geared forums.
 
Melissa said:
Thats a very interesting theory you have (no sarcasm). Question, how do the stories and descriptions then come in? I am not sure if there were apes at all in north america, that would have been seen by native americans. So, what would they be referencing?
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Since I have given a lot of thought to this question and do have Meldrum's arguments handy to refer to, I have a question for you. Do you think it has been compelling demonstrated that there are Native American cultures that unambiguously portray apes in their cultural works?
 
Melissa said:
Thats a very interesting theory you have (no sarcasm). Question, how do the stories and descriptions then come in? I am not sure if there were apes at all in north america, that would have been seen by native americans. So, what would they be referencing?
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We musk ask ourselves about the word "ape". As far as I know, the original myths talk about hairy tall people- or giants, if you preffer (where's Hairy Man when you need better Native American folklore knoweledge?).

"Ape" -as well as "hominid", "missing link", among other terms- are actually interpretations of the original description made by people whose cultural backgrounds are completely different from the myth's original context. "Tall hairy man" would be the description- data, if you preffer. The plethora of terms we've read, write and use are actually interpretations.

Thus, it is my opinion that, when discussing folklore, there's no need to explain or discuss why, how or if Native Americans actually saw apes or monkeys. Regardles how dear PGF, decriptions and renderings based on sighting reports and inference from casts can be for some, the question, I think, should be "why should they be referencing to hairy giants".

My answer to these questions?

I don't know. All I can -as well as anyone else- do is to make some guesses.
And yes, they may include giant apes.
 
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