Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

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LAL said:
Yes, I think some of the sasquatch sightings are of that nature, but delusions don't leave spoor.
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Excellent. Now the relevant experts can do some DNA testing on that spoor. Do you have some links to this finding, LAL?
 
VulcanWay said:
You guys are FAR more hardcore than me to still be active in this thread. My hat is off to you. :)

I'm quite honestly interested in what you guys are discussing but I definitely don't have the time to catch up on 109ish pages of posts. Has anyone made any headway in my absence or have both sides said it all?
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I've chosen my goofy fringe belief and she loves me.:D

Seriously, most of us are just patiently waiting for the crow we were promised so long ago. I think even as bigfootery continues it's self perpetuation one need only take a quick glance at many of the current online footer communities to see that time and rationality have taken their toll. Nevertheless, bigfootery still has some smart cookies. Kathy Strain, for example, is I think about as cool as they come when it comes to people actually out there looking for the Foot. Unfortunately, it's really rather easy to let BF believer logic foul itself up. Ultimately the belief is based on the anecdotes and all it takes is a casual mention of Iowa to bring that house of cards down.

I'm rather proud of this thread desertyeti started. Within the 109 pages so far many of the tired cliches of bigfootery have been retired. We've had some very interesting people stop by and we've seen the departure of some prolific proponents (not to mention a few implosions). Many believers continue to proudly assert their bold and courageous open-mindedness and inquisitive nature while wagging their fingers at shameful, close-minded scoftics without the slightest hint of irony. Meanwhile, many of the regular posters in this thread continue to make thought provoking and insightful contributions that illuminate and challenge the flimsy architecture of bigfootery. I second the hats off.
 
LAL said:
I'm sorry to hear that. Hazzards of bipedalism. It's got to be easier to hobble around quadrupedally.

I stepped on a nail while trying to plant some roses and developed an aggressive infection. It' better now, but I was having to go back for follow up every day or two. The industrial strength antibiotic wasn't working (and has a rare, but fatal side-effect, so the PA put me on one that's specific for bacteria that live in shoes. The ones I was wearing are supposed to prevent penetration by bacteria, but I guess there's no reason they can't live on the surface.
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Thanks, glad to hear your on the mend. That was umm... gross.:D
 
Pardon the machine gun posts, Japan time and all that.
LAL said:
Again, the co-discoverer had to jump to equal that stride, and he's nearly 6'4". There were two trackways, side by side, in that event. They went up an incline the people had to climb. Even going down the incline, with the feet on backwards, would have been extremely dangerous. They were several days old when found. It makes no sense hoaxers (if it was even possible to pull such a hoax) would go to all that trouble, actually jumping for seven miles in an area where their handiwork was unlikely to be found before the snow melted. Five DNR workers saw a pair crossing a meadow some years after that, and Huntster and I managed to dig up five other reports from 1969 in the area. I found one in the Bords' book as well. Yet, no one reported hoaxers? Strange.

The bank was investigated by trained personnel from the sheriff's department. They found a full print by the river as well. The witness saw a dark 8-9'figure cross the road and leap up the bank, not some kid with a pole poking about at 3 or 4 AM on one of the most dangerous highways in the country. At the time, HWY 14 was virtually without shoulders and turnouts. There've been other sightings on that road that haven't been reported, to my knowledge.
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I'd really love to believe that there were real sasquatches at the end of those trails. Mentioning multiple sighting anecdotes and a particularily dangerous highway doesn't help that, though. Still, I want to learn as much about this event as I can.
LAL said:
I don't have any in the freezer. Sorry.
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Well, whoever does should be so kind as to submit it to proper analysis. Until such time we should be quick to respond to those who say matter-of-factly that there is bigfoot scat. Same goes for hair samples and non-existent matching dermatoglyphics.
 
LAL said:
Sleep paralysis in the case of "abductions", possible electrical discharges from underlying granite deposits, especially in South Wales, atmospheric distortions of the moon and Venus and torches at a refinery, misidentified weather balloons, especially when we weren't officially spying on any other country, schizophrenia, flying garment bags launched by teens, towns drumming up tourist trade, and my all-time favorite, the "landing site" with the matches in the middle.
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Excellent. Then what you are saying is that there are no extra-terrestrial visitors yet ?

The UFO phenomenon is based almost wholly on eyewitness accounts, like Bigfoot. Like bigfoot, it has only rare and questionable evidence. Like bigfoot, it makes a claim that flies in the face of everything we know.

So my next question is this: why do you choose to believe one, and not the other ?
 
Freezer?

This reminds me of...

The Minesota Iceman and an alleged yeti (or something like that) both exposed as sideshow attrctions!

And defended by some as "the real deals"!

Hey, footers, go get them and serve us skeptics some crow!

What?
Oh, the Minesota Iceman is in the hands of a creationist fundie who will not relinquish something that goes against the Holy Bible not to mention the FBI would chase him and the original businessmen who run the sideshow. For fraud? Noooo... Homicide suspect and hiding a corpse, of course...

Oh, and there's the everlasting conspiracy from mainstream science, the government and the timber industries to hide teh truth about unknown hairy hominids lurking in the wildernesses!!11!1! Hey, maybe the conservative evangelicals are also part of it, they want to hide a living "missing link"!

Damn, I was just dreaming about Charlize Theron... Well, probably I can still catch her up (Oh the joys of lucid dreaming)...
Wake me up when you have some reliable evidence to back your claim.
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Correa Neto said:
Freezer?

This reminds me of...

The Minesota Iceman and an alleged yeti (or something like that) both exposed as sideshow attrctions!
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Pass me a pillow and tell that story again, gramps.
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Correa Neto said:
Oh, and there's the everlasting conspiracy from mainstream science, the government and the timber industries to hide teh truth about unknown hairy hominids lurking in the wildernesses!!11!1! Hey, maybe the conservative evangelicals are also part of it, they want to hide a living "missing link"!
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Drop dead easy bigfoot foul-up #2. If bigfoot exists the Gifford Pinchot National Forest knows about it, no ands, ifs, or buts. They say nothing about it so...? Teh man is keeping the truth about my fringe belief down! Rinse, repeat.
 
Is there anyone here who cannot manage to put a footprint halfway up a 14 foot high bank and crush some plants at the top of the bank?

I certainly wouldn't wear a bigfoot suit while doing it, either.

This is another example of phoney believers and intentional obtuseness.

Are we supposed to believe an adult can't figure out how to do these things, or what?

Stepped over a crotch high fence? Wow! How amazing! Nobody can do that!

A footprint halfway up a hill? Holy cow! What a creature!

Long strides? Oh boy! What'll the skeptics say now?!!

Give us a break for crying out loud....
 
RayG said:
I'm guessing because aliens don't leave footprints and unidentified hair behind.

RayG
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Woke up briefly from my scoffical sleep to say this:
Sorry, but it is claimed that aliens do leave footprints...
http://www.abduct.com/contact/c62.php
http://www.aliendave.com/article_AlienEncounter_Dugway.html
http://www.ufocasebook.com/srilankaaliens.html

Just a free sample...

We could also add to this the UFO "landing sites", landing gear marks included, and, why not, "angel hair"...

OK, back to sleep. Considering about setting something like Randi's Sylvia Browne clock for reliable bigfoot evidence...
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Belz... said:
Bigfoot don't leave crop circles, either.
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Do aliens?

"The phenomenon itself was observed in its current form after notable appearances in England in the late 1970s. Various explanations were offered for the phenomenon, which soon spread around the world. In 1991, two men named Doug Bower and Dave Chorley revealed that they had been making crop circles in England since 1978 using planks, rope, hats, and wire as their only tools.[1][2] Circlemakers.org,[3] a UK-based arts collective founded by John Lundberg have been creating complex crop circles since the early 1990s.[4]"

And

"The storms about this part of Surrey have been lately local and violent, and the effects produced in some instances curious. Visiting a neighbour's farm on Wednesday evening (21st), we found a field of standing wheat considerably knocked about, not as an entirety, but in patches forming, as viewed from a distance, circular spots....I could not trace locally any circumstances accounting for the peculiar forms of the patches in the field, nor indicating whether it was wind or rain, or both combined, which had caused them, beyond the general evidence everywhere of heavy rainfall. They were suggestive to me of some cyclonic wind action,..."[7]


Although the pixie circles said to be created by Elves in Scandinavian folklore were most likely caused by fungus colonies, there was also a rarer kind, consisting of circular patches where the grass had been flattened:

On lake shores, where the forest met the lake, you could find elf circles. They were round places where the grass had been flattened like a floor. Elves had danced there. By Lake Tisaren, I have seen one of those. It could be dangerous and one could become ill if one had trodden over such a place or if one destroyed anything there (an account given in 1926, Hellström 1990:36)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circles

I've only met three people claiming UFO sightings. One lived near an Air Force base and was in early recovery from alcoholism and addiction, one probably saw a weather balloon caught in an updraft and one said himself a launching occured that evening.

I believe people see things in the sky, and sometimes on the ground, that baffle them, but I've met a grown man who didn't know the difference between stars and planets. I wonder what they teach in science classes these days - anything about what a light year is?

On the other hand, we have what seems to be a perfectly normal large bipedal primate, largely nocturnal, living in areas that are rugged and mountainous and forested where hikers and hunters and mushroom pickers get lost and die before anyone can find them, even though it's known where they were last seen. No warp drives necessary, no need to suspend natural laws to accomodate a belief system.

Why do I believe one and not the other? It's easier.
 
LAL said:
I've only met three people claiming UFO sightings. One lived near an Air Force base and was in early recovery from alcoholism and addiction, one probably saw a weather balloon caught in an updraft and one said himself a launching occured that evening.

I believe people see things in the sky, and sometimes on the ground, that baffle them, but I've met a grown man who didn't know the difference between stars and planets. I wonder what they teach in science classes these days - anything about what a light year is?
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So in the case of UFO's and crop circles you are satisfied by an explanation involving clever hoaxing and misidentified mundane phenomenae but in the case of bigfoot...
LAL said:
On the other hand, we have what seems to be a perfectly normal large bipedal primate, largely nocturnal, living in areas that are rugged and mountainous and forested where hikers and hunters and mushroom pickers get lost and die before anyone can find them, even though it's known where they were last seen. No warp drives necessary, no need to suspend natural laws to accomodate a belief system.

Why do I believe one and not the other? It's easier.
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You mean what we seem to have is a perfectly normal large bipedal primate after reports contradicting that have been filtered by proponents wishing to tailor data to their specific preconceptions?

BTW, Lu, do you know anyone personally who claims to seen bigfoot? Offline, I mean.
 
kitakaze said:
So in the case of UFO's and crop circles you are satisfied by an explanation involving clever hoaxing and misidentified mundane phenomenae but in the case of bigfoot...
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Sure. There hasn' been much clever hoaxing in the case of bigfoot. The hoaxers there've been seemed to have an uncanny ability to get caught.

You mean what we seem to have is a perfectly normal large bipedal primate after reports contradicting that have been filtered by proponents wishing to tailor data to their specific preconceptions?
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No. I think reports of Venusians delivering them to the back yard can be safely discounted. I'm not very interested in those.

BTW, Lu, do you know anyone personally who claims to seen bigfoot? Offline, I mean.
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Yes.
 
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