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Yes actually, I spoke with LAL by phone that very day, she was helping me with research - and told me she wouldnt be able to get back to me until the following day as she was headed to Ashville.
What is it with you guys and that? None of my business and no, LAL, I don't think you said anything. The forum's open to the public and anyone can see this discussion. I don't even know if the SFB's general discussion section being removed from public view had anything to do with it. They just happened around the same time.
Same comments apply, if you want to discuss the issues on the Search for Bigfoot - please by all means, register as a member. Im sorry no one from my website or the BFF consulted with you prior to creating the posting guidelines - but, I guess its too late now You are always welcome to create a bigfoot board of your own and make up all kinds of rules that suit your taste.
Oh shock, Melissa's being melodramatic again. I'm simply pointing out that your excercise of skepticism is limited at best. Again, what motivation would I have to join your or any other board? If any reliable evidence of bigfoot ever were to be produced, here will be one of the first places it will be discussed and it will be done so in critical yet open-minded manner. On a side note, one thing I find intriguing is the social aspects that arise when someone on the BFF or your board, for example, claim to have multiple, almost routine encounters. It really is quite fascinating what proceeds.
You seem to be very upset about something - only you have the power to control, and discussing it here wont change things. You are more than welcome to create an account and post along with everyone else - I just think you are scared, so you come back here and complain.
:dqueen Have you ever considered low budget horror film work?
The people who actively research this mystery have just as much right to have a place to discuss their work - as you have the right to be skeptical about that work. They also have the right to have their comments not be taken out of context. You can make all the comments you want about how the SFB should be handled - but I dont see your name anywhere in the list of people who are taking an active interest and adding to the dicussion - one way or the other.
Yes, yes. The results are fascinating, I'm sure. Tell me, Melissa, who's comments were taken out of context, praytell?

ETA: I should add that your psychological musings wouldn't ring so hollow if I hadn't spent the greater part of my membership here arguing against what I saw as close-minded skepticism.
 
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So here we sit, picnic basket at our side, you, me, LAL, Hairy Man, kitakaze, Diogenes, Sweaty, Huntster (in spirit of course), and undoubtedly a few lurkers, hanging around by the edge of the blanket, like so many ants waiting for some cake crumbs.

Pass a sammich wouldja...

RayG

Sasquatch, not a mile away from us, is busy making another ass print in the mud which we will discover and cast in a few hours. We will all then promptly leave the area, lest we actually see the beastie...
 
I disagree. There's quite a bit. Of course with mainstream science not examining it at all I'm not sure how we're going to define "rigourous scientific scrutiny".
For example?
And the Aidirondacks.
I think you missed this (BTW, we both misspelt it. It should be Adirondacks.):
Why hasn't heavy hunting activity in the Adironacks brought down a sasquatch?
How many Marmot studies and deer hunts are conducted at night?
Evidence of 8ft bipedal primates in the area only comes out at night? How does that work?
Why didn't poachers in Skamania County hunting with dogs at night bag sasquatches instead of bear?
I'm guessing because there weren't any sasquatches there or in any other places poachers are hunting.
Nothing? Hm. They might not think it's nothing. Which pursuers do you have in mind?
I'm guessing the ones you're thinking of might have funny ideas about reliable evidence. Right now, I'm thinking of mangler.
And why is that a fact and not an opinion? Is the evidence as good anywhere else as it is for the PNW?
You seem to have misquoted me and been confused in your answer. You said you think scientific confirmation of bigfoot has already happened to which I replied:
It most certainly hasn't. That's a fact, not an opinion.
But is the evidence as good elswhere as it is in the PNW? Well you're arguing for a pan-continental bigfoot and other wildmen so one would hope so. Are countless sightings claims, tracks, videos, photos, hairs, scat, etc. good?
Do you think Yeti and sasquatches are alike?
Sure, don't you? I'm confused, you seem to be contradicting yourself. Gigantopithecus and all that.
He said 200 miles of open water, but in what era? There's no need for a breeding population to make the trek all at once. Looks like from Vietnam to the islands could all be accomplished by land while water levels were low. Perhaps those islands were connected to mainland Australia at some time. I wasn't able to find much on Australian Land Bridges, so I don't know just what was connected when.
No, they weren't. Not for Gigantopithecus.
I really don't have time to get into this that deeply and about all I have to say, is the Wallace Line is not a wall.
It is for most land dwelling fauna, including huge bipedal primates.
Homo erectus got to Flores somehow (I've read it was never connected to the mainland), and humans got to Australia somehow. What route did they take? According to this, they were only a boatride away:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n..._mungoman.html

And that's from Africa.
The key word is 'boatride'. If I understand your statement correctly you seem to have misread your link as the boatride is not from Africa but rather from Timor to Australia.
 
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What is it with you guys and that? None of my business and no, LAL, I don't think you said anything. The forum's open to the public and anyone can see this discussion. I don't even know if the SFB's general discussion section being removed from public view had anything to do with it. They just happened around the same time.Oh shock, Melissa's being melodramatic again. I'm simply pointing out that your excercise of skepticism is limited at best. Again, what motivation would I have to join your or any other board? If any reliable evidence of bigfoot ever were to be produced, here will be one of the first places it will be discussed and it will be done so in critical yet open-minded manner. On a side note, one thing I find intriguing is the social aspects that arise when someone on the BFF or your board, for example, claim to have multiple, almost routine encounters. It really is quite fascinating what proceeds.:dqueen Have you ever considered low budget horror film work?Yes, yes. The results are fascinating, I'm sure. Tell me, Melissa, who's comments were taken out of context, praytell?

ETA: I should add that your psychological musings wouldn't ring so hollow if I hadn't spent the greater part of my membership here arguing against what I saw as close-minded skepticism.


You know what to do, unless you want everyone to think your just a complainer. What does my website and its rules have to do with you - especially when you can sit here and discuss bigfoot all you want? Heck, you wont even sign up - so, the rules and guidelines do not even affect you. I dont understand you at all.

My, you sure do like things your way.
 
For example?I think you missed this (BTW, we both misspelt it. It should be Adirondacks.)

I'm still tired from last night. I can't spell when I'm tired.

I have a friend who researched in Whitehall. He put an end to my scoffing about the Adirondacks pretty quickly.

Evidence of 8ft bipedal primates in the area only comes out at night? How does that work?

I am truly tired of trying to describe the groundcover in the PNW. Sightings are 1500 times more likely at night.

I'm guessing because there weren't any sasquatches there or in any other places poachers are hunting.

Yeah, Skamania County only has the highest number of sightings in the US. I'd guess dogs won't go near them and that the animals are in higher elevations during bear poaching season (joke).

I'm guessing the ones you're thinking of might have funny ideas about reliable evidence. Right now, I'm thinking of mangler.

Right now, I'm thinking of the tracker who pronounced the tracks faked before he even saw them.

I don't think the researchers I'm thinking of have funny ideas at all.

You seem to have misquoted me and been confused in your answer.

Whatever.
You said you think scientific confirmation of bigfoot has already happened to which I replied:But is the evidence as good elswhere as it is in the PNW?

Evidently there's quite a bit that hasn't been publicized. I just watched a DVD with casts from Virginia. This was news to me.

The Elkins Creek cast is compelling.

Until a couple of years ago I would have been more than happy to discount anything out of the PNW. Now, I'm not so sure. Living in NC made rather a difference, though I doubt WNC could support as large a population as Washington State can.

Well you're arguing for a pan-continental bigfoot and other wildmen so one would hope so.

But not very vehemently. If you've been lurking on SFB again you might have see where I was taken to task by an Oklahoma researcher.

Are countless sightings claims, tracks, videos, photos, hairs, scat, etc. good?

Why not? They'd be good enough for any other kind of animal.
Sure, don't you? I'm confused, you seem to be contradicting yourself. Gigantopithecus and all that.

I don't think they're all the same. If these other bipedal primates exist there's nothing to say they all have to be descended from Giganto. The light-bodied type could be bipedal orangs, Australopiths, something we don't know about yet.
No, they weren't. Not for Gigantopithecus.

Do you know for fact Giganto couln't have been a strong swimmer? Could not a few indivduals have crossed on floating debris, or been washed ashore? Do we know for a fact those islands were never in any way connected?
It is for most land dwelling fauna, including huge bipedal primates.

Really. You have evidence no bipedal primate ever crossed it? How about the small bipedal ones?

"The distance between Bali and Lombok is small, a matter of only about 35 kilometers. The distributions of many bird species observe the line, as many birds refuse to cross even the smallest stretches of open water. Many volant mammals (bats) have distributions that cross the Wallace Line, but non-volant species are usually limited to one side or the other, with a few exceptions (e.g., rodents [Hystrix]). Various taxa in other groups of plants and animals show differing patterns, but the overall pattern is striking and reasonably predictable."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Line

Hystrix made it. 35 km is only twenty miles.

The key word is 'boatride'. If I understand your statement correctly you seem to have misread your link as the boatride is not from Africa but rather from Timor to Australia.

No, the journey began in Africa. Those bipedal primates really get around.
 
You know what to do, unless you want everyone to think your just a complainer. What does my website and its rules have to do with you - especially when you can sit here and discuss bigfoot all you want? Heck, you wont even sign up - so, the rules and guidelines do not even affect you. I dont understand you at all.

My, you sure do like things your way.
I'd like to ask what specifically you think my complaint is but it would seem judging from the way you are choosing to answer my post that you aren't interested in answering my questions related to the current matter. I'm not saying you don't answer questions in general (or specifically mine) here because you've answered lots of questions including in our other exchanges.

I've already proven the reason I haven't joined the discussion at your forum has nothing to do with fear or reluctance to be in the minority. If I can make myself clearly understood it is simply that I am member of only one internet forum which takes more than enough of my time as it is. I very much enjoy participating in a forum where I can discuss bigfoot (my reason for joining), history, anthropology, film, be given outrageous avatars to wear, engage in moronic humour, and all the other wonderful things to be found here at the JREF. I think you've done a great job from what I've seen in putting together a place for bigfoot believers to discuss their ideas. If you and those you co-operate with think it best to keep most those discussions accessible to members only that is by all means completely your right to do so.

In addition to a time factor, the other key reason would be that I don't imagine it would be productive for me to participate in a forum where the existence of sasquatch is presumed to be a fact. I feel that any discussion by proponents who are working on that presumption is going to illustrate the inherent flaws of those beliefs. It's been a long journey coming to my present skepticism and it was only through open-minded critical examination of the evidence that I arrived at that perspective. I'm quite certain you feel your perspective is likewise based. Don't misunderstand me, I'm very biased when it comes to sasquatch. I very much want them to exist but there simply is no reliable evidence to support that idea. There's plenty of evidence to support hoaxes, misidentifications, and human nature being behind the modern myth. Nonetheless, it's an awesome myth and one we should celebrate.

I haven't ruled out seeking to register on your board and if I do it will be under the same handle as here. I have faith in you that if I did that as is stated in your guidelines that neither of us would allow any of our exchanges here to influence them there.
 
I'd like to ask what specifically you think my complaint is but it would seem judging from the way you are choosing to answer my post that you aren't interested in answering my questions related to the current matter. I'm not saying you don't answer questions in general (or specifically mine) here because you've answered lots of questions including in our other exchanges.

I've already proven the reason I haven't joined the discussion at your forum has nothing to do with fear or reluctance to be in the minority. If I can make myself clearly understood it is simply that I am member of only one internet forum which takes more than enough of my time as it is. I very much enjoy participating in a forum where I can discuss bigfoot (my reason for joining), history, anthropology, film, be given outrageous avatars to wear, engage in moronic humour, and all the other wonderful things to be found here at the JREF. I think you've done a great job from what I've seen in putting together a place for bigfoot believers to discuss their ideas. If you and those you co-operate with think it best to keep most those discussions accessible to members only that is by all means completely your right to do so.

In addition to a time factor, the other key reason would be that I don't imagine it would be productive for me to participate in a forum where the existence of sasquatch is presumed to be a fact. I feel that any discussion by proponents who are working on that presumption is going to illustrate the inherent flaws of those beliefs. It's been a long journey coming to my present skepticism and it was only through open-minded critical examination of the evidence that I arrived at that perspective. I'm quite certain you feel your perspective is likewise based. Don't misunderstand me, I'm very biased when it comes to sasquatch. I very much want them to exist but there simply is no reliable evidence to support that idea. There's plenty of evidence to support hoaxes, misidentifications, and human nature being behind the modern myth. Nonetheless, it's an awesome myth and one we should celebrate.

I haven't ruled out seeking to register on your board and if I do it will be under the same handle as here. I have faith in you that if I did that as is stated in your guidelines that neither of us would allow any of our exchanges here to influence them there.

Well I appreciate your kind words. But, the board I have created is not for the "Bigfoot Believer" - read the posting guidelines. In fact, that is exactly what I do not want.

To have a rational discussion about this mystery, you must have both sides taking part in the discussion - offering constructive criticism and sharing ideas... (constructive being the operative word there). I'm not sure what your interest is in this field of research - but for myself and many others we are interested in coming up with new ideas to try in the field, and discussion of what we are currently doing.

You can sign up under whatever name you choose - makes no difference to me. As others will attest - I am a no-nonsense kind of person, and I have no problems with those who disagree, but on the SFB - you need to explain why, so the criticism can be useful. Simply telling someone their idea is irrational wont "cut the mustard"..

I am in this to try and help solve this mystery - regardless of how it comes out in the end, I have nothing to lose, as I have never seen one. So, I'm much more skeptical than you give me credit for.
 
I would like to see an explanation of why right here. The more I look into this the more convinced I become. I find it difficult to relate to people who go the other way.

And no, Kitakaze, I didn't miss the mention of the Adirondacks. I thought the Northeast should be represented - no David Shealy there.
 
Melissa wrote:
But, the board I have created is not for the "Bigfoot Believer" - read the posting guidelines. In fact, that is exactly what I do not want.
The board exists for friendly "intelligent discussion" of the evidence for Bigfoot.
And "intelligent" doesn't mean always "being right" in what you're saying. It means using your intelligence honestly, to the best of your ability...to contribute to the search for the truth.

Fortunately, with Melissa as an administrator...the board will always be a friendly place to discuss Bigfoot. :)
 
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I'm still tired from last night. I can't spell when I'm tired.
Ditto. My spelling gets terrible when my brain gets ahead of my fingers.
I have a friend who researched in Whitehall. He put an end to my scoffing about the Adirondacks pretty quickly.
Sorry Lu, but I think this is classic LAL 101. You might as well have said, "I saw a BF video one time that was really compelling." If you're not going to state the reason he put an end to your scoffing then why even bring it up. It's just rattling the tackle box for anyone listening to you.
Evidence of 8ft bipedal primates in the area only comes out at night? How does that work?
I am truly tired of trying to describe the groundcover in the PNW. Sightings are 1500 times more likely at night.
There's no reason to bemoan your weariness to me as it's non sequitur. I was asking you why ongoing field research of one of the world's rarest mammals and Canada's most endangered animal species, the Vancouver Island Marmot, has not produced reliable evidence of sasquatch. You replied asking if they study at night which prompted my above response. Your complaint has nothing to do with the subject.
Yeah, Skamania County only has the highest number of sightings in the US. I'd guess dogs won't go near them and that the animals are in higher elevations during bear poaching season (joke).
:D Wait, I don't get it.
Right now, I'm thinking of the tracker who pronounced the tracks faked before he even saw them.
Which tracker is that and to what tracks do you refer?
I don't think the researchers I'm thinking of have funny ideas at all.
Fair enough. Do they have any reliable evidence of sasquatch?
You seem to have misquoted me and been confused in your answer.
Whatever.
It's not a big deal, it just seemed to be the case.
Evidently there's quite a bit that hasn't been publicized.
Rattling the tackle box. You'd think all those sasquatches in Iowa would have come to the attention of wildlife officials by now.
The Elkins Creek cast is compelling.
Why? Because Chilcutt said so?
Until a couple of years ago I would have been more than happy to discount anything out of the PNW. Now, I'm not so sure. Living in NC made rather a difference, though I doubt WNC could support as large a population as Washington State can.
Ever considered joining an expedition in that general area?
Well you're arguing for a pan-continental bigfoot and other wildmen so one would hope so.
But not very vehemently. If you've been lurking on SFB again you might have see where I was taken to task by an Oklahoma researcher.
Is that to say you doubt that bigfoot exists in Iowa? Anyway, I've only checked the SFB forum lately to see if General Discussion will be available to the public again. What was the discussion and and how were you taken to task? I'm not interested in it because you were taken to task but in how it might relate to my point.
Are countless sightings claims, tracks, videos, photos, hairs, scat, etc. good?
Why not? They'd be good enough for any other kind of animal.
Those things are good enough after an animal has been identified to science through standard methods. They are not acceptable for yowies, yetis, or bigfoot. In any event, yowie belief is based on the same type of evidence as is for bigfoot.
I don't think they're all the same. If these other bipedal primates exist there's nothing to say they all have to be descended from Giganto. The light-bodied type could be bipedal orangs, Australopiths, something we don't know about yet.
I think it's fascinating that you're here and now arguing against yetis being giganto related. Tell me, have you ever suggested the opposite? I'm not trying to bait you, I'm just thinking you have.
Do you know for fact Giganto couln't have been a strong swimmer? Could not a few indivduals have crossed on floating debris, or been washed ashore? Do we know for a fact those islands were never in any way connected?
They may have been strong swimmers but then again we don't for sure anything about how they moved. Let's say they are strong swimmers, as Correa pointed out so are elephants and tigers.
Really. You have evidence no bipedal primate ever crossed it? How about the small bipedal ones?

"The distance between Bali and Lombok is small, a matter of only about 35 kilometers. The distributions of many bird species observe the line, as many birds refuse to cross even the smallest stretches of open water. Many volant mammals (bats) have distributions that cross the Wallace Line, but non-volant species are usually limited to one side or the other, with a few exceptions (e.g., rodents [Hystrix]). Various taxa in other groups of plants and animals show differing patterns, but the overall pattern is striking and reasonably predictable."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Line

Hystrix made it. 35 km is only twenty miles.
You seem to be missing the point. Correa made it quite clear here but I can't remember if you have him on ignore so here's the post:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2445262#post2445262

No, the journey began in Africa. Those bipedal primates really get around.
Yes, and the only bipedal primates to have been shown to make it to Australia on their own were humans. That would be from the fossil record in Australia, of course. The place where no giganto/yowie fossils/remains have turned up. No shortage of people claiming to see yowies, though.
 
Ditto. My spelling gets terrible when my brain gets ahead of my fingers.Sorry Lu, but I think this is classic LAL 101.

Okay, drop the attitude, please. I'm not Lyndon and I'm not in the mood.
You might as well have said, "I saw a BF video one time that was really compelling." If you're not going to state the reason he put an end to your scoffing then why even bring it up.

I think I've mentioned it before. I'm not overly inclined to subject my friend's experience to the usual ridicule that goes on on this board.

It's just rattling the tackle box for anyone listening to you.There's no reason to bemoan your weariness to me as it's non sequitur.

It doesn't have to do with weariness, it has to to with the ground cover springing back and not showing tracks. I haven't caught up with this thread yet, but I did see there was something about Marmot studies.

I was asking you why ongoing field research of one of the world's rarest mammals and Canada's most endangered animal species, the Vancouver Island Marmot, has not produced reliable evidence of sasquatch.

I haven't read the posts so I really don't know what's going on with the Marmot studies.

Evidently the search for the Ivory Billed Woodpecker hasn't either.

You replied asking if they study at night which prompted my above response.

There's a far greater chance of a sighting at night. If they're not specifically looking for sas sign they might miss it.

"Oh, look at all the twisted branches."
"Yeah. I wonder what caused that?"
"That depression kind of looks like a footprint doesn't it?"
"Yeah. Weird."
"Okay, let's move on."

Your complaint has nothing to do with the subject.:D

Picky, picky.
Wait, I don't get it.Which tracker is that and to what tracks do you refer?

It was a tracker called in on the Umatilla events in 1982, probably Joel Hardin.

Fair enough. Do they have any reliable evidence of sasquatch?

I think so.

It's not a big deal, it just seemed to be the case.Rattling the tackle box. You'd think all those sasquatches in Iowa would have come to the attention of wildlife officials by now.

I know nothing about evidence from Iowa. There've been some reports from there. Iowa has wilderness. That's all I know.

Why? Because Chilcutt said so?

Do you have any idea how good this guy is?

Ever considered joining an expedition in that general area?

I was half of one last summer. The researchers here are few and far between and with conflicting work schedules, money troubles, last minute cancellations and illnesses we haven't even been able to get together for dinner this year. A weekend in the woods isn't going to cut it anyway.

My aforementioned friend wanted us to join MM's trip to Hot Springs just to see how they do things and there was actually space, but if I'd gone on a BFRO expedition, do you think my former BFRO friends would ever let me hear the end of it? This year's is sold out already.

Is that to say you doubt that bigfoot exists in Iowa?

It's not my area of expertise. I think there may be individuals passing through areas that seem unlikely. There always seems to be a river nearby, with plenty of vegetation along the banks.

Anyway, I've only checked the SFB forum lately to see if General Discussion will be available to the public again.

Is it?

What was the discussion and and how were you taken to task? I'm not interested in it because you were taken to task but in how it might relate to my point.

If you join the board you can read it. You don't have to post.

Basically he said if I'm going to advance I'd have to let go of the PNW, so how does that relate to your point.

Those things are good enough after an animal has been identified to science through standard methods.

And just how does an animal get identified to science without sightings happening first? Just what standard methods are you referring to? Once the animal has been identified why bother with those good enough things after the fact?

What standard animal keeps getting thrown in with UFO's and the Loch Ness Monster?

They are not acceptable for yowies, yetis, or bigfoot. In any event, yowie belief is based on the same type of evidence as is for bigfoot.I think it's fascinating that you're here and now arguing against yetis being giganto related.

I've never thought Yeti and Sasquatches are the same thing. Giganto might have had all sorts of relatives. Where did I say Yeti couldn't be related to Giganto?

Tell me, have you ever suggested the opposite? I'm not trying to bait you, I'm just thinking you have.

No.

They may have been strong swimmers but then again we don't for sure anything about how they moved. Let's say they are strong swimmers, as Correa pointed out so are elephants and tigers.You seem to be missing the point. Correa made it quite clear here but I can't remember if you have him on ignore so here's the post:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2445262#post2445262

He's on Ignore and I can't read it.
Yes, and the only bipedal primates to have been shown to make it to Australia on their own were humans.

Krantz thought Yowies might be a remnant Homo erectuspopulation. H. erectus may have mastered transportation by water 800,000 years ago.

Australian Aborigines are towheaded when young. Coincidently, Murphy mentioned this in his current newsletter and speculated Yowies might be towheaded when young and turn black later.

As I've said before, I'm not into Yowies, and I don't understand how this has anything to do with the North American unidentified hominid primate. What are you getting at?

That would be from the fossil record in Australia, of course. The place where no giganto/yowie fossils/remains have turned up. No shortage of people claiming to see yowies, though.

Not everything gets fossilized. If we had all the fossils, creationists would have no argument.

Giant squids were a myth for 200 years before one was washed up on a beach.
 
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Funny?

It's bust a gut, roll on the floor, thigh-slapping, hilarity.

Thanks Ray. Appreciate the compliments.

By your logic any skeptic that frequents a bigfoot forum must be missing a few picnic snacks.

Frequents a bigfoot forum? In the case of some people (ohhhh, no names mentioned) it's more like being permanently encamped there. And you do certain people a diservice by calling them mere skeptics. More like scoftics. There is a difference between a skeptic and a scoftic. I'll explain it to you:

The skeptic goes "Hmmmmm somewhat interesting, but I really don't buy that totally. In fact I doubt it".

The scoftic goes "Rubbish. Complete cobblers. Show me the body. Where's the scientific paper...yadda yadda yadda!".

You see???

With regards to ol' Snitch, it's a case of (by his own admission) going to other bigfoot boards to lurk and see what the proponents are saying about something he believes doesn't exist so he can come back here to scoftic heaven and snigger about them.

You don't find that strange behavior?? You don't find that pretty sad and pathetic???


Logically then, any bigfoot proponent who frequents a skeptical forum must be similarly missing the mustard on their hot dog, so to speak.

How do you work that one out? The proponent is still arguing about something he/she is sure exists, so therefore not really wasting his/her time.

You know why I don't encamp myself in Alien abduction boards?? Because I don't believe in wasting my time arguing about something I don't really think happens in the first place. Got better things to do with my time.

So here we sit, picnic basket at our side, you, me, LAL, Hairy Man, kitakaze, Diogenes, Sweaty, Huntster (in spirit of course), and undoubtedly a few lurkers, hanging around by the edge of the blanket, like so many ants waiting for some cake crumbs.

Pass a sammich wouldja... :D

RayG

You won't be getting me sitting around any blanket where there's a Snitch. The others are fine (even Diogenes) but I'd rather if Snitch was left in the car thank you. He's liable to get a marmite sarnie smacked into his gob, and I'd haste to waste sarnies.
 
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Oh yes, before I forget, I couldn't help but notice that during your last little hump stop you declined from answering Correa's calling you on an accusation in this post. Was giving Ol' Snitch a rub all you came for? How thoughtful.
Well here is my rebuff now. Sorry I didn't reply immediately. I don't hang out here much anymore and today was the first time I had been back since then. I'm not encamped here you know.:rolleyes:


Spare us the the drama and the ad homs.
Show where I was disrespectfull to Huntster in my previous post. Show me where I lied, made a cheap shot or false accusation. Prove your accusations.

Certainly. You refered to what he didn't actually mean as "outrageous", and that it was "lame". You were sniggering at him behind his back. I call that disrespectful. You knew perfectly well what he meant and what his argument had always been, but you twisted what his point was in order to score some silly points. This is what goes on here often.

It was a "cheap shot" because he wasn't here to defend himself from your incorrect allegations and to put you straight. I call that a cheap shot. Too bad if you don't think so.

Present links to where his claim was "there are not sufficient amounts not scientists/researchers spending sufficient time specifically searching for sasquatch" and not that wildlife professionals are not where they should be to find bigfoot. Prove your point without any semantic game, evasion, obfuscation, etc. and I will eat the crow.
You think I've got time to go back through every post he made? Good luck with that thought process. I hardly post here or read these threads as it is.

You spend more time here than me. Why don't you present links where he says what you claim and without taking what he said out of context. Bare in mind that Huntster has namechecked the likes of Krantz, Bindernagel, Meldrum etc before. These would be scientists so Huntster wasn't meaning there are no scientists or biologists in bigfoot country at all, ever:rolleyes:. He was well aware that there are (for example) bear and mountain lion etc researchers in sasquatch country as well. We had a lengthy discussion about bear biologists and film makers recording bears hunting fish so Huntster wasn't meaning there are no scientists there at all ever ever ever in sasquatch country. Huntster has only ever meant that scientists in bigfoot country just aren't there looking for bigfoot in the right places or the right ways and spending sufficient amounts of time and money in dedicated searches doing so. You know that's what Hunster meant, I know that's what Huntster meant so it was out of line of you to play your game and try and catch him out just because Hairy Man refered to friends of hers that are out in the field doing their usual field work (non-sasquatch related).

I can present links to back what I wrote.
And yet you didn't. I'm sure you can. And I'm sure you would be taking them out of context.

Can you prove what you wrote?
Can you? Can you prove you wouldn't be deliberately taking it out of context and twisting it so it would appear that is what he was meaning, when in fact he wasn't really and has in the past even refered and mentioned other scientists and biologists.

You have three options:
Option 1: Prove your claims regarding my false accusations, cheap shots, etc. regarding Huntster at my previous post.
Done.

Option 2: Remove the claim. Show you have honor, admit you were wrong, crossed the line and made an unsubstantiated accusation. We'll move on and forget the issue, since everyone can make a mistake.
Honour doesn't appear to exist here on JREF. Nobody has ever apologised for falsely accusing me of things I haven't said or haven't done. I've realised that if you want to post on JREF you must join the crowd and twist everything your adversary says in order to try and score silly points and get 'one over' them. Er, that's why I rarely come here now, and only then when I get a tip off.

I don't know how LAL sticks it out here. I really don't.

And I see you completely side stepped my question. Here it is again:

"So what dedicated and exhaustive proper scientific sasquatch research programmes (such as Huntster was meaning and advocating) do you know of? Do you know of any that are out like, say, six months of the year in the field in specific locations with the intention of only trying to find a sasquatch??"

Those are the kind of scientists Huntster was talking about and you know full well that he was. Your word play games were ridiculous. You knew exactly what he meant.
 
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WB, Charchy, Old Boy. But what's a marmite snarnie? I don't speak British.

Sorry Lu. For the uninitiated a marmite sandwich is this:

http://www.ilovemarmite.com/

Marmite is a spreadable yeast extract. It's an 'aquired taste'. Some people love it, others hate it. I used to hate it. Australians have their own kind of version called Vegemite. I don't know if there is an American equivalent.

Oh by the way, this is what ol' Snitch would look like after I've finished with him at Ray's picnic:

http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/images/marmite.jpg


Isn't this "hands across the water" thing wonderful? - Liverpool to Tokyo with a few stops in between. Just goes to show world peace is possible. Anyone here from Iraq?
LOL, I don't know about that. I don't think there is peace on this board, nevermind the world.:D

Sweaty Yeti wrote:


Hey Lyndon, good to see you back here....don't stay too long, though! :wink:
LOL, I don't think I will.

Did you catch my production of "Kitty Goes Nuts"??
Here's the end of it...just in case you missed it.....

Like you say, Lyndon....."Too funny"! :D
Thanks. I would have missed that hehe.
 
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Those are the kind of scientists Huntster was talking about and you know full well that he was. Your word play games were ridiculous. You knew exactly what he meant.

It's par for the course here, Lyndon!

If you want to see the ULTIMATE in "playing word games" by a skeptic...check out the conversation I'm having with belz over Greg's statement in my signature line.

Belz is trying to defend his twisted translation of it...and pretending he doesn't have ANY idea of what I'm talking about.

You'll get a laugh or two out of it, Lyndon....guaranteed or your money back! :D
 
Certainly. You refered to what he didn't actually mean as "outrageous", and that it was "lame". You were sniggering at him behind his back. I call that disrespectful. You knew perfectly well what he meant and what his argument had always been, but you twisted what his point was in order to score some silly points. This is what goes on here often.
The above was nothing but more claims. You are using claims to justify other claims. Now you also have to prove these new claims. Prove I twisted his point. Prove I sniggered behind his back.

It was a "cheap shot" because he wasn't here to defend himself from your incorrect allegations and to put you straight. I call that a cheap shot. Too bad if you don't think so.
Again, prove the allegations were incorrect. No rethoric. Just evidence.

I will now use the opportunity and ask the other members if they consider my refference to Huntster as unethical. Whoever feels I was unethical, please say so, prefferentially in public.

You think I've got time to go back through every post he made? Good luck with that thought process. I hardly post here or read these threads as it is.
Fantastic! You make an accusation, a claim and yet feel no obligation to back them! Very ethic! Such behavior by no means helps you position and is also a burden for the people who defend the claim "bigfeet are real".

You spend more time here than me. Why don't you present links where he says what you claim and without taking what he said out of context. ...snip...
Sure, here are some of the links:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2183909&postcount=5042
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2201495&postcount=5089
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1359393&postcount=795
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1376535&postcount=1108
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1378984&postcount=1162
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2177268&postcount=5013
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2193930&postcount=5052
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2203272&postcount=5098
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2223316&postcount=187
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1355690&postcount=745
No quotes, so you can not claim I am distorting or quote-mining. These are your ways, not mine. Want some more?

Now...
Your links? Your evidence?
Or you have no time to present evidence to back your claims?

And yet you didn't. I'm sure you can. And I'm sure you would be taking them out of context.
Prove they are out of context. Prove I took them out of context. Your list of evidence you must present to back your claims is increasing...

Honour doesn't appear to exist here on JREF. Nobody has ever apologised for falsely accusing me of things I haven't said or haven't done. I've realised that if you want to post on JREF you must join the crowd and twist everything your adversary says in order to try and score silly points and get 'one over' them. Er, that's why I rarely come here now, and only then when I get a tip off.
Honor, charcarodon, is something that you just proved not to have. You made a series of accusations. Once asked to prove them, you presented nothing but backpedalling, semantics, new claims, evasions, sweeping generalizations and more accusations.

Your rare presence here, with this sort of trollish behavior, is actually a good thing for JREF.

Those are the kind of scientists Huntster was talking about and you know full well that he was. Your word play games were ridiculous. You knew exactly what he meant.
Yes, I fully know what he meant. It seems you do not.

You made an accusation, you thought you could get away with it looking as a righteous poster. But it seems you have been caught with your pants down, since its good practice here to have evidence to back a claim. So far, you have nothing.

Your post presents nothing to back your claims and accusations. Back your claims, including those presented at your last post or be confirmed as a liar. No drama, no evasion, no rethoric. I call your bluff. Show the evidence, show the links.

Present them and I'll eat the crow.
Say "I'm sorry, I can't prove, I should not have said that" or something like that and we'll move on, since we all can make mistakes.
Continue with your current line and you will continue to be perceived as nothing but a liar.

Take your time, since I will be making some field work untill Wednesday or Thursday and will have no WWW access during this period.

One last point:
More than once I wrote that if the defenders of the position "bigfeet are real" (or any other subject) want to be taken seriously, they should drop a number of attitudes. For example, whoever makes sweeping generalizations blaming a class of professionals for the lack of reliable evidence for his/hers position is showing ignorance or a complete lack of ethics. Continous ad homs, sweeping generalizations, etc. against those who do not agree with the claim only harm the proponent's cause. Same is valid for evasions, rethoric or semantic games, logical fallacies, backpedalling, diversion, obfuscation, etc. None of the above will masquerade the fact that there are no reliable evidence to back the claim. None of the above will help the cause and its defenders. On the contrary, whoever follows these tactics is shooting his/hers own foot and making the skeptic's life quite easier.
 
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Well, it's understandable. After 200 years of no-proof, you'd start getting frustrated, too.

There's been 200 years of research? That's news to me. I don't want to get into semantics, but nothing is ever "proven" in science.

There is evidence. There's quite a bit of evidence. None of the best evidence has been shot down, though many attempts have been made.

Yes, in that they don't exist.

And for that statement you have no "proof".
 
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