Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

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I've been about one week away and no reliable evidence was presented... Only the standard combination of whining, semantic games, evasion, obfuscation, etc.

And after 12 days there are no signs of the evidences a certain pro-bigfoot poster must present to back his/hers accusations against me. No sign of an "I'm sorry, I was wrong" post, also.

ETA: No answers also to the questionings I made and issues I raised regarding sighting reports.
 
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I've been about one week away and no reliable evidence was presented... Only the standard combination of whining, semantic games, evasion, obfuscation, etc.

And after 12 days there are no signs of the evidences a certain pro-bigfoot poster must present to back his/hers accusations against me. No sign of an "I'm sorry, I was wrong" post, also.

ETA: No answers also to the questionings I made and issues I raised regarding sighting reports.
Welcome back, Correa. Neither of those posters has demonstrated a consistent willingness to admit fallacy so I'm sure the lack of response in either case is any kind of surprise. It's really easy to do if you have no qualms about being accountable for your boners.

For example, I say 'let's pull a fast one on the BFRO'. Man, there's a stinker. Did I really think it through? Nope. Did I admit it was a dumb idea? Well actually I suspected it and said so from the first moment I suggested it. Learned some very important things from putting that out there, though. Of course, the worst mistakes are the ones you don't learn from.

I think it's really lame when people come to the table with a skeptics vs believers battlefury that prevents them from being open to questioning their preconceptions on the issue and readily admitting mistakes. I've seen a few skeptics in the past act that way here but by and large it's believers that exhibit that kind of behaviour. I don't think it even worth the effort to elaborate on why that is given I'm among people that are far better at articulating it than I.

It's nice to see that believers have a new place to let their hair down and bounce off the walls of credulity in the pinball machine of bigfootery, though. I couldn't help notice the obviousness of at least one certain admin/mod's glee at newfound cyber authority. You know there's trouble in paradise when BFF devotees going looking elsewhere.

ETA: Yes, BTW, I am wearing a rather fetching new ass hat. Suffice it to say, in the humour section I've been designated 'woo for a day'. I'm actually a bit fond of it.:D
 
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William Parcher wrote:
EDIT: It's nice to see that LAL, Hairy Man & Baby D. have a new home to unwind and enjoy Bigfoot as they should.
"Enjoy Bigfoot discussions" would be more accurate. ;)

Mad Hom can rant and rave here....and kitakaze can be rude and insulting here....and I'll post over there...:D

How's that sound?!!
 
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belz wrote:
Originally Posted by SweatyYeti
I would think that in some cases, a Bigfoot should actually be living somewhere close-by where the footprints have been found.

That is logical....I can't argue with that.
Then why hasn't this happened ?
I don't know.
 
Correa Neto wrote:
ETA: No answers also to the questionings I made and issues I raised regarding sighting reports.
I'll never refuse to answer a question.

Can you provide some post numbers, Correa? I'd be happy to answer your questions.
I simply haven't had the free time available to answer all the questions I've been asked.
 
Questions for kitty:

Originally Posted by SweatyYeti
Again.....how is "easily" attributable determined....as opposed to "not easily"?


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Is there any definition, or description of the procedure for determining what to attribute a piece of evidence to?
Is there a scientific method....or do we just use the "ranting-kitty" method?

And....

WHEN did I whine about anything not being considered "reliable" evidence?

Can you answer these questions, kitakaze?

Correa wrote:
I've been about one week away and no reliable evidence was presented... Only the standard combination of whining, semantic games, evasion, obfuscation, etc.
That applies VERY nicely to some of the skeptics here. :)
 
Questions for kitty:
Again.....how is "easily" attributable determined....as opposed to "not easily"?


Quote:
Is there any definition, or description of the procedure for determining what to attribute a piece of evidence to?
Is there a scientific method....or do we just use the "ranting-kitty" method?




And....

WHEN did I whine about anything not being considered "reliable" evidence?

Can you answer these questions, kitakaze?

Correa wrote:
I've been about one week away and no reliable evidence was presented... Only the standard combination of whining, semantic games, evasion, obfuscation, etc.

That applies VERY nicely to some of the skeptics here. :)
Now that's pathetic. Sweaty is actually trying to pretend he hasn't been dodging things he doesn't want to address. You know, Sweaty, that BS wouldn't look like a complete joke if you didn't take the time to post yet ignore those posts/points/questions. You can start by actually addressing Correa's post #2943 which you've been dodging like the plague and all of my post #3184.

As for your questions for me, the first two I've answered. Have you? And the last question I'll gladly accomodate when you demonstrate that you're sincerely not trying to dick around. Heck, I'll even give you a couple hints. First, what made you ask the question in the first place? Second, look down on yourself.

ETA: Sweaty, care to name names as to who you think is evading you?
 
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LTC, that was awesome! Largest fangs in the cat world, as large as a tiger's though a tiger is ten times larger. Kills it's prey in a single bite. Can run head first down trees and along the undersides of branches. Man, how cool is that?
 
The Bornean Clouded Leopard is much more interesting than sasquatch.

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I'm skeptical of this claim. Do you have a reference for CL canines being as large as a tiger?
Sure thing. From the link LTC first provided which is a Daily Mail article headlined 'New species of leopard with largest fangs in cat world discovered':
The island's most fearsome predator, the clouded leopard has the longest canine teeth of any feline, with fully-grown cats boasting fangs that are up to two-inches long.

Only the long-extinct sabre-tooth tiger had longer canine teeth for its body size.
And:
• Its two-inch canine teeth are the longest of any living feline and lead to comparisons with the long-extinct sabre-tooth tiger.

• Its jaws can open wider than those of any other cat and the fangs are as big as a tiger's, even although tigers are ten times bigger.
Hey, look! From the wikipedia entry. Just like bigfoot.:
The habits of the Bornean Clouded Leopard are largely unknown because of the animal's secretive nature. It is assumed that it is a generally solitary creature.
 
Sweaty, for some odd reason I think I'll just go ahead and answer those two questions again and your new one, to boot. Why? Because I enjoy making your shuck n' jive routine more difficult.

Q. 1) 'Again.....how is "easily" attributable determined....as opposed to "not easily"?'

A: As far as I'm concerned, there is no reliable evidence for bigfoot. I define reliable evidence where bigfoot is concerned as that which is not easily attributable to some mundane cause such as hoaxing or misidentification. I think it is that evidence that doesn't fall apart under scientific scrutiny.

I would say that 'easily' attributable is determined by looking at what is known to occur and often does. You have a cast of an indentation in the ground that resembles a large human foot and you submit it as evidence of bigfoot. If I'm a scientist I'm going to require other supporting evidence because if all you have is that cast I'm not going to have any interest in looking at it because hoaxes and misidentifications are the norm for bigfootery claims. Do you have a nice clear gamecam photo that can be proven to not to have been forged or hoaxed? Well, hey now! That's not easily attributable to hoaxing and misidentification. Looks like you've got some reliable evidence for what people refer to as bigfoot/sasquatch. Now you've got my attention. Looks like there may be something to this, after all.

Now the question for you, Sweaty, is do you have any well considered answer that you can give other than 'I don't know' as to why there is no reliable evidence and there is no proof. If not, what makes you think the case for bigfoot is so strong? Because many people claim to have seen one? Many people claim to have seen Jesus, 'Grey' aliens, and chupacabra. Are you getting the point or are you just not interested?

Q. 2)'Is there any definition, or description of the procedure for determining what to attribute a piece of evidence to?
Is there a scientific method....or do we just use the "ranting-kitty" method?'

A: Well, IMO, it is the scientific method itself that determines the procedures for dealing with evidence and the results of it employment that dictate what you attribute that evidence to. Remember, as far as science is concerned, facts are not static.

If that answer is not satisfactory to you then I have already suggested you consult Jaynes' Probability Theory that you cited for one to your liking. If you aren't motivated to do so then all I can suggest is that you direct your bigfoot evidence questions here (which I have elsewhere suggested to you):

http://www.evidencescience.org/

Q. 3) 'WHEN did I whine about anything not being considered "reliable" evidence?'

A: In this post I told you not to whine when sightings and tracks are not considered reliable evidence as they rightly thus far have not been. This is in reference to how throughout your time here you posit those things as constituting strong evidence of bigfoot. In the past you have used phrases such as 'decent evidence' or 'proper evidence'. Ever since I began using the term 'reliable evidence' you've been semantically nit-picking at it. To what purpose? No matter how much you squirm and twist none of the evidence of bigfoot thus far has withstood scientific scrutiny and none of it thus far holds any interest for science in general. You have such a problem with the term 'reliable evidence' that you embarassingly mock it in your signature. I personally have no desire to count how many times you've asked for a definition, been given it, 'forgot', and asked again. I am not saying that it is your habit to complain and say it's unfair that science has not accepted BF evidence. The point is that I'm bringing attention to the fact that you won't simply just be up front acknowledge the nature of bigfoot evidence submitted thus far and continue to try and obfuscate in a way that tries to create the impression that you are correct and the evidence for bigfoot is indeed strong.

Now, you've made it clear that any kind of Q&A with you results in you ignoring the questions and points that are difficult for you and catch you with your pants down and simply picking up whatever allows you to continue obfuscating and appear to be on a firm footing in terms of your support of bigfoot. Even so, I have answered your questions.

You say you will never refuse to answer any questions and you simply haven't had time to do so. How convenient. This is one of the most astounding lines of BS you've ever tried to pass off here. How stupid do you think we are? Right, I guess when you go on and on posting after receiving over and over reminders of what you have 'forgotten'/are ignoring we are supposed to interpret it as 'simply haven't had the time to find a way to answer that looks good for me but will get to it someday'. Yeah riiight, Sweaty.:rolleyes:

Well, enjoy your new forum and the 'what's wrong with Mary Green evidence?' discussions. You've already been booted out of the main footer rumpus room and thoroughly and consistently shown a lack of interest in intelligent discussion with skeptics here so good luck.
 
Sweaty's sig said:
"So far, I am not aware of any evidence which indicates with any degree of likeliness, however small, that Bigfoot creatures exist....anywhere in the world."

Bolded parts refer to bits of his sentence that indicate that he's not 100% sure that such evidence doesn't exist, or could never exist.

Seems clear to me. Folks ?
 
Sure thing. From the link LTC first provided which is a Daily Mail article headlined 'New species of leopard with largest fangs in cat world discovered'

No. Find references outside of the Daily Mail article. Look for clouded leopard canine size and also for tiger.
 
Wow! What a wierd kitty! Who would have guessed that it demonstrated convergent evolution with BOTH stabbing cats and squirrels?

Funny, though. It lives in places more inaccessable than any Northwest Coast rain forest, and yet it's been known for a long time.

[Wyoming mode] Why can't them science fellers catch up to Bigfoot? Maybe they is a keeping him secret? What & the Sam Hill's a going on, down in that there Area 51? [/Wyoming mode, and a good thing]
 
Sure thing. From the link LTC first provided which is a Daily Mail article headlined 'New species of leopard with largest fangs in cat world discovered':

That Daily Mail article contains several inaccuracies, though. First, and foremost, the headline should read, "Cat Sub-species Reclassified Through DNA Testing". Not quite as sexy, I know, but really this kind of thing has been going on quietly for some time, particularly in the birding world. Also, for example, they say the cat has a body a little over a foot in length, which is too short by half; that's house cat size. As to the canine tooth issue, most sources mention that the Clouded Leopards's fangs are larger than any other cat relative to its size.
I think the "larger than any other cat" is a bit of hyperbole, although the San Diego Zoo site does say,

A clouded leopard’s jaws can open wider than any other cat’s, and its tooth development is most like that of the extinct saber-toothed tiger. A clouded’s 2-inch-long (5-centimeter-long) canine teeth are the same size as those of a tiger, even though tigers are 10 times larger in body size!
http://www.sandiegozoo.org/animalbytes/t-clouded_leopard.html

One Bigfoot-related item: this 2006 study of Clouded Leopard populations is interesting because it counts the secretive creatures by identifying individual cats through footprints, and by radio-collaring a few. This must be a lie since we know there's no way for a secretive, often arboreal creature to be tracked through rainforest!

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6785/6/16
We also demonstrate that the rigorous technique used to identify individuals via a thorough quantitative track survey is a feasible method to study even secretive cats in tropical rainforests. This is the first study that applied this method combined with a capture-recapture model in a study on elusive cats. Earlier studies pointed out some disadvantages of identifying individuals by their tracks [37-39]. Karanth et al. [40] reviewed that 30 years of "pugmark census method [41,42]" to estimate abundances of tigers in India failed because the statistical assumptions for abundance estimates were not considered. In our study, however, we improved the data recording with digital images of the tracks, we enhanced the statistical analysis to separate the individuals and we incorporated the capture probabilities to estimate the abundances. Thus our results show that the method is practicable, as long as research areas are small and inhabited by only a few individuals.

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;)
 
Dagnabbit, Orthoptera, you beat me to it. Some of those inaccuracies I didn't catch. I was going to mention when LTC first posted it as a sub-species being reclassified as a species through DNA testing and morphology examination (comparing skins) but I chose not to nit-pick and instead highlight some of the cool features mentioned. It was more sexy.:D

WP, I'm still looking now for some further specifics on canine lengths but if you've found anything don't wait for me as me and my computer are being a little slow today.
 
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