Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

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LAL said:
That was actually a pretty straightforward story as these things go.

"Scratchy?" It wasn't until it was shown a lot. 1963, huh? Great research there.

Hairy Man has it on good authority Meldrum saw the pictures of the prints and said they were fake.

It think it's a safe bet Ray Wallace didn't do it.
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Well, sheesh, you gotta go with Meldrum over some expert tracker then, right? Decisions, decisions...

Meanwhile, trackfinds lately... not so much.
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(BTW, I don't think she'll be back.)
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Yeah... ya think? I wonder why.:rolleyes:
 
VulcanWay said:
I am actually too lazy to read all of the pages of posts here, so I apologize if this has been covered before...

I think all we need to do is check out those photos that Glenn Thomas must have included in his report and we'll at least be on a better track to proving their existance. They were sleeping and unawares, so as a researcher he wouldn't have disturbed them in their habitat or otherwise interfered with their habits in order to do so.
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He wasn't a researcher; he was a logger, and he didn't have a camera. But he was able to make some very detailed observations.

It's interesting they match so well with other reports from different times and places.
 
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LAL said:
Because they haven't been located yet. They're an unidentified bipedal hominid primate with huge territories, a semi-solitary lifestyle, largely nocturnal, inhabiting some of the ruggedest terrain in the world, but they're supposed to be easy to find?
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They should be at least as easy to find as anything that exists.
 
LAL said:
It's interesting they match so well with other reports from different times and places.
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That is an interesting phenomenon. I remember reading (or was it on Bullsh!t?) how when people reported being abducted by aliens years ago, the aliens were described to look like everything imaginable. (I'll look up the source if you're questioning the phenomenon) Then when the "Gray" hype started in the media, suddenly most abductees report the aliens as having the big head/eyes with the little gray-skinned body thing. Then again, maybe the Grays have just claimed a monopoly on abducting from Earth?

Could it be what he reported had been in other reports that he encountered in the media and he superimposed them onto his own observations (or lies, depending on your side of the argument)?
 
LAL said:
He wasn't a researcher; he was a logger, and he didn't have a camera. But he was able to make some very detailed observations.

It's interesting they match so well with other reports from different times and places.
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Oh dear. Someone seems to have misplaced a couple 'unfortunately's to go with that 'but'.
 
kitakaze said:
Well, sheesh, you gotta go with Meldrum over some expert tracker then, right? Decisions, decisions...
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Not really; I'm neutral. The tracker got to see them in situ and Meldrum only got to see pictures (and I don't have his opinion first hand). It would be interesting to get his thinking on it directly as to why he might think they're faked.

There've been other finds in the area.

"In both 1997 and 1998, a science researcher found possible Bigfoot tracks and feces in the same Plumas Forest Area.

And again in 1998, a veteran forest service employee found footprints fourteen inches long by six inches wide."
 
LAL, I understand where you're coming from but want you to understand the frustrations that you're sensing here that you're just not getting.

At every turn where there has been a chance to really document and prove the existance of Bigfoot (et al) those steps haven't been taken. We all get that DNA tests and the like cost money. But you can't tell me that a person or group truly interested in proving once and for all that Bigfoot exists wouldn't find a way to collect the funds for a single DNA test or what have you. (Not to mention the fame and fortune that would come from that documented discovery)

The incident you note just above where the feces was found. Where is the fecal matter? Was it collected and/or tested at all? If you can get my skin cells and check the DNA in them from my pillow you can collect samples to test from a place that such a creature slept. If they've been tracked, where do the tracks come to or go from or do they just appear then disappear? Do you see the frustration? With all the reports and sightings floating around, SURELY there has to be something that we can document and test and definitively prove without a scientific doubt that such a thing exists. There just has to be!

But there's not.

The only incident that I remember that DNA was successfully tested from a Bigfoot was when the fur turned out to be from a buffalo (and I know nothing else about that incident, so will not comment).

So I get you, man. Just try to get me!
 
VulcanWay said:
That is an interesting phenomenon. I remember reading (or was it on Bullsh!t?) how when people reported being abducted by aliens years ago, the aliens were described to look like everything imaginable. (I'll look up the source if you're questioning the phenomenon) Then when the "Gray" hype started in the media, suddenly most abductees report the aliens as having the big head/eyes with the little gray-skinned body thing. Then again, maybe the Grays have just claimed a monopoly on abducting from Earth?
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The guy who did the studies recently that show "alien abduction" is due to sleep paralysis got death threats. Some of these people didn't want a rational explanation.

Could it be what he reported had been in other reports that he encountered in the media and he superimposed them onto his own observations (or lies, depending on your side of the argument)?
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His encounters were in 1967, 1968 and 1969.

Personally, I didn't encounter anything in a newspaper about anything sasquatch at all until March of 1969. National Wildlife did a story on the PGF

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/wildlife1968.htm

and I was a subscriber, but we moved that year and I'm not sure I ever got the issue. I found John Green's early books on the trip up to Portland from LA; I'd never seen or heard anything about sasquatch/bigfoot before that, and I watched the news at least once a day. We subscribed to a newspaper and several magazines. Even after moving to a high-sighting area there wasn't much about it after the local paper did a special issue on events there in 1969. They weren't discussed much, at least in my hearing.

The method of eating Thomas reported, with the thumb not being noticably used, is like a Russian report of a Kaptar eating a Pika (that got Dahinden's attention). That might have been in Ivan T. Sanderson's book, but I don't know if anyone thought to ask Thomas if he'd read the book.
 
VulcanWay said:
LAL, I understand where you're coming from but want you to understand the frustrations that you're sensing here that you're just not getting.

At every turn where there has been a chance to really document and prove the existance of Bigfoot (et al) those steps haven't been taken. We all get that DNA tests and the like cost money. But you can't tell me that a person or group truly interested in proving once and for all that Bigfoot exists wouldn't find a way to collect the funds for a single DNA test or what have you. (Not to mention the fame and fortune that would come from that documented discovery)
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They have. The results were inconclusive.

The incident you note just above where the feces was found. Where is the fecal matter? Was it collected and/or tested at all?
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There've been a number of fecal analyses. One turned up some interesting parasites. Plenty of bacterial DNA showed up in another. Body cells of animals eaten show up and so does plant DNA. Now, try to sort all that out.

If you can get my skin cells and check the DNA in them from my pillow you can collect samples to test from a place that such a creature slept.
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It would be easier if sasquatches used pillows. It's not known for certain they build sleeping nests.

If they've been tracked, where do the tracks come to or go from or do they just appear then disappear? Do you see the frustration?
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Ever seen a forest floor? A seven mile long double trackway was followed 7 miles in snow, but was lost in forest. The PNW is particularly difficult because of the springy ground cover.

With all the reports and sightings floating around, SURELY there has to be something that we can document and test and definitively prove without a scientific doubt that such a thing exists. There just has to be!

But there's not.
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I think there is. Science wants a specimen.

The only incident that I remember that DNA was successfully tested from a Bigfoot was when the fur turned out to be from a buffalo (and I know nothing else about that incident, so will not comment).
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It was a long-dead Woodland Bison. The Teslin villagers has several sightings, but evidently not of that bison.

So I get you, man. Just try to get me!
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I'm a woman. Let's start there.
 
LAL said:
They have. The results were inconclusive.
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That's important for you to mention to VW, because when we are faced with unknowns we should always leave an empty barstool waiting for Bigfoot's arrival. Any day now... any day now...

One turned up some interesting parasites.
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Who said that and why? Interesting in what way?

It would be easier if sasquatches used pillows.
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It sure would. Then the Bigfooters could make more handy excuses why there is never DNA found on Bigfoot pillows.

It's not known for certain they build sleeping nests.
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It's the thought that counts in Bigfootery. A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse.

A seven mile long double trackway was followed 7 miles in snow, but was lost in forest.
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The support group for people who believe Bigfoot liars would also be lost in the forest if it didn't have a web address: http://www.bigfootforums.com.

Science wants a specimen.
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More like needs a specimen. Having something like that would snatch many believers from the pile of cards called "deluded". But you are one of those special cases, Lu. Confirmation of Bigfoot wouldn't fully absolve you of the crimes you have committed here against generally good or productive methods of inquiry. Until then, strong belief in Bigfoot is the domain of the Psychology Department.
 
LAL said:
Personally, I didn't encounter anything in a newspaper about anything sasquatch at all until March of 1969. National Wildlife did a story on the PGF: http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/wildlife1968.htm
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Great link! I just love old Bigfoot pulp. Same tired excuses and questions that are used today. The insanity just goes on and on and on. It's 2007 now for crissakes!

In the spring of 1968, Roger Patterson was said to be already becoming testy and tired of questions about him possibly being a liar. This article is a real beauty.
 
The point, dear William, is that there wasn't a lot of publicity on it in those days, unless I managed to miss it all. It's not likely there was any kind of communication between, say William Roe and Glenn Thomas (who wasn't even identified in the full report). The lack of a neck is often noted, even in brief sightings.

Why are you answering my post anyway? I wasn't talking to you.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Lu, I am not hateful at all.

I admit I lost my temper with you.

I apologize for calling you a jerk.

I will keep you on ignore, though.
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Will someone please repost my thanks for all of the above?
 
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