Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

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SweatyYeti said:
"if there were thousands of reported sightings of the "Great Brown Chicken"???????
Well...there are not thousands of reported GBC sightings.
Unfortunately, I don't have enough free-time available to me right now to get into debating "make-believe".
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And yet you want to discuss the "probabilities" of something not proven to exist.

Yeah, right.
 
Belz... said:
And yet you want to discuss the "probabilities" of something not proven to exist.

Yeah, right.
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Once the skeptics to admit to a certain probability that a sighting or other piece of evidence is in fact evidence of bigfoot, then the believers will add up all the 1% and 2% figures across the thousands of footprints and inconclusive hair samples and claim that there's a quadrillion percent likelihood that bigfoot exists.

Since we don't know whether bigfoot exists at all, it's impossible to speculate on probability.

If eyewitnesses to robberies or murders are correct in their identifications of the criminal X% of the time, then that percentage might be meaningful, but only because sometime in the past a study has been done that compares the eyewitness testimony to some other independent measure of truth.

Nothing of the sort is possible for evidence of bigfoot because that independent measure of truth does not yet exist for bigfoot.
 
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Belz... said:
Please don't make up stuff that I haven't said to make me agree with you. I just noted that Kita's response was a bit... emotional. I never claimed it wasn't normal human behaviour. Thank you.
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Actually, on further consideration, I think I should be more mindful of how my expression of derision looks to others. Ironically, recently I just commented to another member that they were making what appeared to be an emotional and inappropriate comment and it turned out they were making a Far Side reference. I admit there was an emotional element to my comment which was from a mixture of disgust and bemusement. Of course, I ended up simply giving Sweaty the excuse to make a typical attempt at deflection that he thrives on when being confronted by facts that illuminate the incoherency of his ramblings.

Well, live and learn. I won't be making that mistake again. That doesn't change my thinking that the fact that both Sweaty and carcharodon can't reconcile their bigfoot beliefs with reality leads them to contradiction purely for the sake of it and pathological obfuscation.
 
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kitakaze said:
The one concerning dead bears immediately comes to mind.I'm sure it's been a long wait.:rolleyes:
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There's a big difference between what Dr. Krantz said and what you guys came up with. Over ten years, as I recall, he questioned people who spent a lot of time in the woods asking if they'd ever found a bear that had died of natural causes. He got 100% nos. No one's saying there are no bear bodies. I once knew a poacher. He saw plenty before he was caught.

The same could be said for cougars. Animals at the top of the food chain dying of natural cause tend to hide themselves. That's no myth. That's just what they do.

You see I couldn't help but notice a number of posters on the BFF with whom I've been familiar with over the last few years are now skeptical in regards to BF's existence.
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A number? How many? There're been a few come here where they can make their pronouncements without much fear of contradiction.

It tells me that unlike you quite a few people with a long term interest in the phenomenom finally get sick of the rain of excuses that the belief predicates itself on and get real. Maybe since you're a long-term member of the BFF you could tell me what percentage of long-term members (over two years) are now skeptical. In any event, sorry but trying to counter that observation by mentioning many new believer members is a complete joke IMO. The mill keeps humming away.
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I can't give you an exact per cent, but I'd say it's very small. I was told when I joined BFF it's not a support group for my POV and got argued with right off the bat. Some of those people are just as sceptical as ever. They haven't changed.

There are a number of longterm members who are as convinced; they're top researchers. They just don't post much, if at all. They're under no obligation to post.

If anyone thinks BFF is some sort of "woo" colony, they must not have read the board.
 
kitakaze said:
Where's the DNA that we should be finding associated with 'nests'?
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Let's just take this one.

For starters, it has to be determined the "nests" weren't made by female bears about to have cubs.

There was a bedding area found very close to a line of apparent sasquatch prints near a stream, indicating the animal may have bedded down there.

But where would you get the DNA? From hair in the bedding area? Hair can be compared morphologically to other samples that may be sasquatch hair, but it's already been shown to be next to useless for DNA sequencing. Tissue is needed.

Where would you find fresh tissue in a "nest"?

How about skin cells shed in the prints? Might be hard to find any since they're rather small. Skin cells in a "nest"would be worse.

DNA testing is expensive and without something that stands a good chance of yielding something useful it would be a complete waste of money to run tests. And to be sure there would have to be a known sample for comparison, wouldn't there?
 
LAL said:
Let's just take this one.
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Let's just keep it. You insist on a real animal but there's nothing but excuses when we take your arguments at face value. They're real animals, yes? OK, they sleep, yes? OK, you would have us believe they're bipedal apes, yes? OK, you would have us believe they sleep in nests, yes? OK, then, if it's a utilized method for conducting genetic and biological studies of chimpanzees in the wild then why not sasquatch?

Blech, it's so nauseatingly predictable. Proponents want to be taken seriously that a real species is involved but yet there's nothing except 'if's, 'but's, and 'unfortunately's when it comes to yielding to study as one. Riiight, pan-continental beast can't seem to leave the same kind of evidence that other apes do.

Not to mention, hey, where'd all the tracks go, lately? So many more people looking and not a whole lot of finding. That is of course, not unless you want us to take this kind of garbage with a straight face. Yes, unlike other apes, bigfoot will only yield DNA from substantial tissue samples and just happens to have feet that leave tracks that look just like poorly carven wooden stompers. Mm hmm.

BTW, some consistency might help when trying to have us take that joke of a list from BFRO then elsewhere claim they're alive and well in Canada (second biggest country in the world, you know), Washington State, and a few other places.
 
LAL said:
You just assume it's garbage and go with Bill's assumption it's wooden feet despite what a tracker had to say?
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Does that tracker's resume read... proven ability and work experience in distinguishing faked Bigfoot prints from real ones?
 
What I'm curious about is if the reporting couple was part of the hoax, or they were just innocently duped by finding fake tracks.

From article: Chuck and Michelle Padigo had been down the logging road lots of times, including just a few days earlier.
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If a hoaxer knew that people frequent that logging road, then....
 
kitakaze said:
Let's just keep it. You insist on a real animal but there's nothing but excuses when we take your arguments at face value. They're real animals, yes? OK, they sleep, yes? OK, you would have us believe they're bipedal apes, yes? OK, you would have us believe they sleep in nests, yes? OK, then, if it's a utilized method for conducting genetic and biological studies of chimpanzees in the wild then why not sasquatch?
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Because they haven't been located yet. They're an unidentified bipedal hominid primate with huge territories, a semi-solitary lifestyle, largely nocturnal, inhabiting some of the ruggedest terrain in the world, but they're supposed to be easy to find?

I recently read Glenn Thomas' full report and in it he mentions a couple of females sleeping openly on the ground without any kind of shelter. There's another report somewhere about one sleeping out in the open in the Russian "Kaptar" position.

Without other evidence to suggest a "nest" has something to do with sasquatches, I don't think they're the strongest evidence by any means.

We're an ape too, but our lifestyle doesn't match that of other apes very closely. I don't think we should conclude from this we don't exist. :D
 
LAL said:
I recently read Glenn Thomas' full report and in it he mentions a couple of females sleeping openly on the ground without any kind of shelter.
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Then Glenn Thomas knew exactly where to find Bigfoot hairs, yes?

There's another report somewhere about one sleeping out in the open in the Russian "Kaptar" position.
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Yep, it's Bigfoot nap time. No hairs and no photos. Damn!
 
LAL said:
Because they haven't been located yet. They're an unidentified bipedal hominid primate with huge territories, a semi-solitary lifestyle, largely nocturnal, inhabiting some of the ruggedest terrain in the world, but they're supposed to be easy to find?
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That's based on... what was it now... speculation... no, wait sighting claims? Ruggedest terrain, mm hmm. Sighting claims, what does that remind me of? Something about Iowa... and the number 35. Man, Iowa? Phew, that's some rough country right there. Haaard livin', yessiree.
LAL said:
I recently read Glenn Thomas' full report and in it he mentions a couple of females sleeping openly on the ground without any kind of shelter. There's another report somewhere about one sleeping out in the open in the Russian "Kaptar" position.

Without other evidence to suggest a "nest" has something to do with sasquatches, I don't think they're the strongest evidence by any means.

We're an ape too, but our lifestyle doesn't match that of other apes very closely. I don't think we should conclude from this we don't exist.
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Gotcha, so when proponents think it can be submitted as reliable evidence then they'll claim nest finds and when it is shown nests are a consistent source for retrieving DNA then they don't make nests. Riiiight.

Bless the believers. Diamond. Absolutely, diamond.:diamond:
 
LAL said:
I recently read Glenn Thomas' full report and in it he mentions a couple of females sleeping openly on the ground without any kind of shelter. There's another report somewhere about one sleeping out in the open in the Russian "Kaptar" position.
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I am actually too lazy to read all of the pages of posts here, so I apologize if this has been covered before...

I think all we need to do is check out those photos that Glenn Thomas must have included in his report and we'll at least be on a better track to proving their existance. They were sleeping and unawares, so as a researcher he wouldn't have disturbed them in their habitat or otherwise interfered with their habits in order to do so.
 
kitakaze said:
Oh, not from the BFRO? CBS, huh? Right, well, good then. Must be some solid reporting.

*cough*
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That was actually a pretty straightforward story as these things go.

"Scratchy?" It wasn't until it was shown a lot. 1963, huh? Great research there.

Hairy Man has it on good authority Meldrum saw the pictures of the prints and said they were fake.

It think it's a safe bet Ray Wallace didn't do it.

(BTW, I don't think she'll be back.)
 
VulcanWay said:
I am actually too lazy to read all of the pages of posts here, so I apologize if this has been covered before...

I think all we need to do is check out those photos that Glenn Thomas must have included in his report and we'll at least be on a better track to proving their existance. They were sleeping and unawares, so as a researcher he wouldn't have disturbed them in their habitat or otherwise interfered with their habits in order to do so.
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Welcom to the JREF. :) That Vulcan command of the obvious will take you far. Live long and prosper. (You're never gonna hear that one again, right? nyuk nyuk.)
 
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