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Silly creationism arguements

arcticpenguin said:
The current evidence indicates that DNA was invented by RNA and proteins.
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'RNA and the Proteins' is the greatest rock group ever! Their first album, 'Transcription,' is a classic.
 
originally posted by rwaldquote:
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What is the unicorn mentioned in the Bible?

I've never found a good answer to that one. The Bible mentions this creature six times in Numbers 23:22, 24:8, Job 39:9-10, Psalms 29:6, 92:10. I suspect all the pictures of horses with horns have been so imbedded in our minds we cannot get them out. Scripture mentions the unicorn's great strength, aversion to man, and un-trainability. Horses are domestic animals that train well; reptiles are wild animals with small brains that don't train well, if at all. If we could start fresh and read what the Bible says about unicorns, I think we would find that a stocky strong reptile like the triceratops would fit the description much better. We have all seen so many pictures of a horse with a horn that I doubt we will be able to clear our minds and think about this subject without bias. We will have to wait and ask God that question
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So, the unicorn was a triceratops? I guess that explains the whole "the Bible doesn't mention dinosaurs" thing...
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You'll find that UNICORN is only in the King James Version. The others, it would appear, translate the word as "OX". I don't know what the original word is, but it seems interesting that the KJV would use one word and all the rest use a different one.

As a follower of the Invisible Pink Unicorn, it behooves (sic) me to find out if She really makes a cameo in the Bible...
 
arcticpenguin said:

The current evidence indicates that DNA was invented by RNA and proteins.
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Since I am new here, and to avoid any possibility of confusion, I will point out that I DO NOT accept Intelligent Design. I was just elaborating on one more of the "Silly creationism arguements". Personally, I like Cairns-Smith's theory of clay as the original template.
 
The clay hypothesis goes even further than the RNA World hypothesis, but there is little evidence to support it, and no clear path to such evidence. It is possible that we may never know about the ultimate origin of life on this planet.
 
neutrino_cannon said:



Ah-ha! I did a search for "ocean salinity" at talkorigins.org, but did not think to look up salt (duh)! Couldn't see where they mentioned the removal mechanism, but what the heck. neutrino_cannon 1, creationism, 0.

Why would anyone think that the complexity of a flagellum is irreducable? Even the most refined of these structures is understandable, and the complexity is obviously not "irreducable" because there is genetic code for it!

Furthermore, very complex sequences can be defined with a very few lines of language, look at the fibinachi sequence. DNA is long, plenty of room for very complex patterns of construction. Give or take a few billion years of evolution (for bacterial flaggelates anyway), and you've got yourself a tail!
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I have a weak analogy in response to the ID mousetrap IC argument, but since the ID version is weak as well, I'll share it anyway.

Evolution of the mousetrap.

- Step one, a piece of wood is laid out there a mouse might trip over it or get a splinter and bleed to death. Not very effective, but better than nothing.

- A nail is hammered through the board and placed sharp side up. More effective than possible splinters, but still low in efficacy.

- A piece of cheese is placed on the board with the nail in it. Bait increases efficacy.

- A small box is held up by the nail increasing the chance that the mouse might be injured or trapped. Further increase in efficacy.

- The nail is replaced by a stick with a rope that is tied to the cheese. Loss of injury efficacy, increase in capture efficacy.

- Box and stick replaced with spring loaded trap. The mousetrap has evolved to it's current form.

Remove any of the current compenents - base, spring, trigger or arm and the current mousetrap has zero efficacy, but it's predecessors all had varying levels of effectiveness.

Like I said, it's pretty weak, but the original ID argument is weak too. :)
 
Complexity? How about self-organization of inanimate objects, from patterned ground (recent article in Science) to climate systems. Eventually, people began to solve how these things formed.
 
arcticpenguin said:
The clay hypothesis goes even further than the RNA World hypothesis, but there is little evidence to support it, and no clear path to such evidence. It is possible that we may never know about the ultimate origin of life on this planet.
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Bottom of the sea, with high degrees of heat, seems to be the starting point. The oldest and most "basic" type of bacteria and archaea are the kind of life that survive in those conditions. Hyperthermofiles. I have a book about it, but alas, in Finnish.

Edit: why have books when the Internet is around http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/archaea/archaea.html
 
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