Siesmic Evidence Proves Inside Job?

So according to Ross, who is not civil engineer, not a structural engineer, not an architect, not an explosives expert, not qualified in anyway to talk about buildings, thier construction or destruction has now come up with some nonsense that explosions that took place before the planes hit, brought them down later.

Brilliant!!!!

Don't you wonder why people just laugh at this rubbish?
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Where is he off? Is the UTC data wrong, or what?
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I am not going to extend you the courtesy of reading the paper you linked, because all you've done the last 2 days is play dodgeball and tap-dance. However, I have a couple of questions about the piece and I'd appreciate an answer.

a. What is the time of onset of seismic waves at WTC1? WTC2?
b. What is the recorded time of AA11s disappearance from radar?
c. What is the recorded time of UA175s disappearance from radar?

Have these times been coroberated by several sources?

What type of clocks were used for the times of b. and c.?
 
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If there was such seismic activity before the impact, wouldn't all the video cameras aimed at the towers show some sort of camera-shake?

Truthseeker, what would be the point of bringing down the towers with explosives after the planes hit? It's not like they could've rebuilt 'em.
 
Sword was fallacious
We know there were no explosives in the building, ergo the first seismic spike is that of the aurcraft impacts.
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No, Sword, you're assuming the conclusion to support the conclusion. Circular reasoning.
 
Table 4
AA Flt 11
2001 LDEO 8:46:26 Original seismic
2005 LDEO 8:46:29 Revised per NIST contract
2004 NIST 8:46:30 Artificial
2001 FAA 8:46:35 Rejected by Commission
2004 Commission 8:46:40
2002 NTSB 8:46:40

UA Flt 175
2002 NTSB 9:02:40 Rejected by Commission
2001 LDEO 9:02:54 Original seismic
2005 LDEO 9:02:57 Revised per NIST contract
2004 NIST 9:02:59 Adjusted per TV
2004 Commission 9:03:11
2001 FAA 9:03:14 Rejected by Commission
NIST sponsored revised seismic times added.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
More to the point, it doesn't take any sort of expert at all to know that the seismic spike produced by a jet impact cannot occur before the jet impact.
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even more to the point, seismic waves do not travel from point to point instantly, and they travel different speeds through different materials (and different densities of those materials) ross and furlong lack the ability to account for such variations, and therefore can and will miss any alternative explanation for the time differences
 
I have to agree with them, Truthseeker. I would not trust anyone but a seismologist (if that is what they are called), an expert in reading them, to interpret the data.

An EEG is a comparable example. Would you want anyone besides a Neurologist reading them and intepreting what they mean or indicate?

TAM
 
defaultdotxbe said:
even more to the point, seismic waves do not travel from point to point instantly, and they travel different speeds through different materials (and different densities of those materials) ross and furlong lack the ability to account for such variations, and therefore can and will miss any alternative explanation for the time differences
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Terrific point. Exactly why seismic data needs to be interpereted by people who are specially trained at doing so....and those people find nothing out of the ordinary about the plane impacts.
 
T.A.M., Ross isn't interperting the seismic data, he is saying that it occured before the plane hit. I might not know what an EKG means, but I certainly know that it does not tell anything about the patient before it's hooked up and running.
 
stateofgrace said:
So according to Ross, who is not civil engineer, not a structural engineer, not an architect, not an explosives expert, not qualified in anyway to talk about buildings, thier construction or destruction has now come up with some nonsense that explosions that took place before the planes hit, brought them down later.

Brilliant!!!!

Don't you wonder why people just laugh at this rubbish?
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BACK THE ^&%$ Off! You are making the same mistake that the Lost Marble people are. I will not tolerate blanket disparagement of my profession.
Yes, a mechanical engineer is the best person to analyze a dynamic event. An appeal to authority requires that the authority be credible. Structural Engineers, Civil Engineers and Archetects design things not to move. Mechanical engineers deal with motion.
That said. ME's also do HVAC and a number of other things that do not involve massive, or even miniscule collisions. I would need to see the dredentials and registrations of this Ross character before I declare him qualified.
Now, I'm off to read his paper.
 
seismic waves do not travel from point to point instantly, and they travel different speeds through different materials (and different densities of those materials) ross and furlong lack the ability to account for such variations, and therefore can and will miss any alternative explanation for the time differences
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No, this is a non-sequitor. Seismic wave cannot travel backwards in time. If the waves indeed occur prior to the jet impact, they must have been caused by something else. Propagation times are a red herring.

Next.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
T.A.M., Ross isn't interperting the seismic data, he is saying that it occured before the plane hit. I might not know what an EKG means, but I certainly know that it does not tell anything about the patient before it's hooked up and running.
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if he is not interpreting the data how is he reaching his conclusion that the seismic event occurred before the plane impact?
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
No, this is a non-sequitor. Seismic wave cannot travel backwards in time. If the waves indeed occur prior to the jet impact, they must have been caused by something else. Propagation times are a red herring.

Next.
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unless the seismometers were on the 78th floor of the WTC propagation time IS an issue
 
if he is not interpreting the data how is he reaching his conclusion that the seismic event occurred before the plane impact?
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Same as it ever was...Google for "Scholars"!
 
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TruthSeeker1234 said:
No, this is a non-sequitor. Seismic wave cannot travel backwards in time. If the waves indeed occur prior to the jet impact, they must have been caused by something else. Propagation times are a red herring.

Next.
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Its actually not a non-sequitir, and I'd lay off of pointing out fallacies because you have yet to correctly identify one, making yourself look more foolish than you already are(if thats possible).
 
Well, propagation times are relevant, in that LDEO needs to take them into account when giving their time reading. The waves take x time to get to the station. But they are expert in that, and the time readings are theirs, not Ross and Furlong's.
 
And yes, that was a non-sequitor. If Ross was wrong about a propagation time, it does not follow that jet impacts caused the wave. If the wave occurs prior to the impact, it must have been caused by something else regardless of how long it takes for that wave to travel to point b.
 
rwguinn said:
BACK THE ^&%$ Off! You are making the same mistake that the Lost Marble people are. I will not tolerate blanket disparagement of my profession.
Yes, a mechanical engineer is the best person to analyze a dynamic event. An appeal to authority requires that the authority be credible. Structural Engineers, Civil Engineers and Archetects design things not to move. Mechanical engineers deal with motion.
That said. ME's also do HVAC and a number of other things that do not involve massive, or even miniscule collisions. I would need to see the dredentials and registrations of this Ross character before I declare him qualified.
Now, I'm off to read his paper.
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Uhm... what happened here? :confused:
 
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