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Shutdown 2023

Trump's big two, urgent problems are the civil case in New York and the Georgia criminal case. Neither will be impacted at all by a federal shutdown.
 
45 day CR got through the House.

It is "clean", meaning it does not include funding for Ukraine. That will go through a separate bill. The CR passed with very strong Democrat support (335-91, I have not seen the breakdown by party).

McConnell has announced that the Senate Republicans will vote against it. It would only take one defector or one absentation for McConnel's effort to fail (Senate is currently 49 Dems and 50 Republicans until Feinstein's replacement gets sworn in). Edit: My mistake, it is still 50 to 49 in favor of the Dems. That's 47 Dems plus three independents that caucus with them. Feinstein's replacement would only change it to 51-49, either way the Dems still have more votes than the Republicans.

Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D NY) set off the fire alarm in the House office building, apparently in an effort to delay the vote. He tried to claim it was some sort of accident, but the video seems pretty clear.

I don't know if it will get through the Senate. Dems may once again find out that "Death in Office" is not a very good political strategy, but it seems to be one that they'll take to the grave anyway. :rolleyes:

The Freedom Caucus will be gunning for McCarthy for allowing a vote with strong Democrat support.

ETA: Republicans: 126 yea : 90 nay : 5 not vote
Dems: 209 yea : 1 nay : 2 not vote

Not sure why Bowman apparently tried to delay a vote on a thing that his party overwhelmingly supported.
 
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Very surprised to see what can only be called a strong bipartisan showing for a CR coming out of the House. Can we safely assume the Senate will rush it through?
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Hercules56 said:
What is in the House bill that got so much Democrat support?
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Besides wanting to keep federal government operations going, including federal employees getting their paychecks, I think their main goal at this point is to show to the public that they’re not responsible for the impending shutdown—it’s the Republican caucus in the House who isn’t united and has a bunch of slash-and-burn extremists in its ranks.

And I don’t care what you believe politically; for any party that’s in the majority in a legislative chamber, this level of internal division and disarray is embarrassing.
 
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Ok good, I was hoping for a one day shut down that would get blamed on the Republicans, but even one day is problematic.
 
crescent said:
45 day CR got through the House.

It is "clean", meaning it does not include funding for Ukraine. That will go through a separate bill. The CR passed with very strong Democrat support (335-91, I have not seen the breakdown by party).

McConnell has announced that the Senate Republicans will vote against it. It would only take one defector or one absentation for McConnel's effort to fail (Senate is currently 49 Dems and 50 Republicans until Feinstein's replacement gets sworn in). Edit: My mistake, it is still 50 to 49 in favor of the Dems. That's 47 Dems plus three independents that caucus with them. Feinstein's replacement would only change it to 51-49, either way the Dems still have more votes than the Republicans.

Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D NY) set off the fire alarm in the House office building, apparently in an effort to delay the vote. He tried to claim it was some sort of accident, but the video seems pretty clear.

I don't know if it will get through the Senate. Dems may once again find out that "Death in Office" is not a very good political strategy, but it seems to be one that they'll take to the grave anyway. :rolleyes:

The Freedom Caucus will be gunning for McCarthy for allowing a vote with strong Democrat support.

ETA: Republicans: 126 yea : 90 nay : 5 not vote
Dems: 209 yea : 1 nay : 2 not vote
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I bet it will pass. Schumer is unlikely to call the vote if he thinks it will lose by one. He'll ask Newsom to send him a body.
 
I am shockjed by the Democratic betrayal of Urkraine. This is a huge win for Putin .
Right now I am beginning to agree with the MAGARATS on one thing; They system is so corrupt it needs to be torn down completly.
 
dudalb said:
I am shockjed by the Democratic betrayal of Urkraine. This is a huge win for Putin .
Right now I am beginning to agree with the MAGARATS on one thing; They system is so corrupt it needs to be torn down completly.
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Not a betrayal, just a short temporary setback. Ukraine would have to have done something FOR us, for the USA to have betrayed them. And while I fully support aiding Ukraine's defensive war against Russia, to date Ukraine hasn't really done anything for us in exchange.
 
Hercules56 said:
Not a betrayal, just a short temporary setback. Ukraine would have to have done something FOR us, for the USA to have betrayed them. And while I fully support aiding Ukraine's defensive war against Russia, to date Ukraine hasn't really done anything for us in exchange.
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What, exactly, would you have a country that's presently fighting for it's very existence, do for the U.S. at this time? :boggled:
 
Hercules56 said:
And while I fully support aiding Ukraine's defensive war against Russia, to date Ukraine hasn't really done anything for us in exchange.
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Russia is our rival, at the very least, so any action that sets back Russian ambitions is good for the US. Ukraine simply continuing to exist independently is of benefit to the US. Just being there at all is enough.
 
Hercules56 said:
Not a betrayal, just a short temporary setback. Ukraine would have to have done something FOR us, for the USA to have betrayed them. And while I fully support aiding Ukraine's defensive war against Russia, to date Ukraine hasn't really done anything for us in exchange.
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They did something for us: they voluntarily released nuclear weapons from their territory in exchange for our commitment to protect them. Among other reasons, this is the US making good on that. If that isn't enough reason by itself, coming through increases our credibility for any such nuclear deal we may make in the future. It's a valid anti-proliferation investment, which is in some ways priceless.
 
Hercules56 said:
Not a betrayal, just a short temporary setback. Ukraine would have to have done something FOR us, for the USA to have betrayed them. And while I fully support aiding Ukraine's defensive war against Russia, to date Ukraine hasn't really done anything for us in exchange.
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dudalb said:
I guess back in 1941, this guy would ask what was Britian doing for the US?
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Sounds like Neville Chamberlain.

Ukraine is doing a lot for the US and the West right now. They are containing fascism.

They are testing US weapon systems on the battlefield as opposed to simulation.

They have brought the West together and strengthened NATO.

I believe it is essential to support Ukraine. Not for them, but for us.
 
Mike! said:
What, exactly, would you have a country that's presently fighting for it's very existence, do for the U.S. at this time? :boggled:
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That's the main point. It's kind of a cold and proxy war and getting more chilly with a lot more players.

Not Vietnam yet, won't be boots on ground, but pretty much everything else.
 
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