Shut Up and Get Back In Line!

Unabogie said:
Isn't the simplest solution to amend the law to increase the penalty if the penalty doesn't work? If you fail to buy auto insurance, they take away your license. That seems to work pretty well as an incentive.
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I heartily encourage the left to shout this from the mountain tops as the election approaches.

Don't be shy! Scream it at the top of your lungs! "We want to increase penalties, maybe even put you in jail, if you refuse to buy health insurance!"


Say it, my friends. Don't be shy. Get it out there! Let everyone know your plans for their own good. Be proud of your political positions and let everyone know them so they can consider their wisdom in this coming election.
 
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johnny karate said:
Poor, down-trodden health insurance companies. :(

It remains to be seen if the insurance mandate will be a good or bad thing in the arena of health care reform, but one thing is certain: Health insurance companies are going to be getting a lot more customers and making a lot more money.
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By the way, the libertarian finds this disgusting -- people profiting because the government requires something.

The left finds this puzzling -- they think capitalists would be overjoyed to have a government-granted quasi-monopoly.

Much the same was said of grotesque increases in pollution and waste control -- hey, you can profit from this! they said, with a big, fang-toothed grin. WTH.
 
Beerina said:
I heartily encourage the left to shout this from the mountain tops as the election approaches.

Don't be shy! Scream it at the top of your lungs! "We want to increase penalties, maybe even put you in jail, if you refuse to buy health insurance!"


Say it, my friends. Don't be shy. Get it out there! Let everyone know your plans for their own good. Be proud of your political positions and let everyone know them so they can consider their wisdom in this coming election.
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Who said anything about jail? Most conservatives I know support mandatory auto insurance. Don't you?
 
Beerina said:
Much the same was said of grotesque increases in pollution and waste control -- hey, you can profit from this! they said, with a big, fang-toothed grin. WTH.
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I'm sure they can, even if not at pre-2010 levels.

If not, then their business plan sucks.

But even at that there is no right to profit from someone else's misery. Health insurance used to be non profit BY LAW. I'm cool with making it that way again. The for-profit models suck horrendously.
 
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Beerina said:
I heartily encourage the left to shout this from the mountain tops as the election approaches.

Don't be shy! Scream it at the top of your lungs! "We want to increase penalties, maybe even put you in jail, if you refuse to buy health insurance!"


Say it, my friends. Don't be shy. Get it out there! Let everyone know your plans for their own good. Be proud of your political positions and let everyone know them so they can consider their wisdom in this coming election.
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I heartily encourage the right to shout from the mountain tops as this election approaches:

HealthCare is exactly like Video Games! It is a luxury that should only be had if you can afford it! We want you to go Bankrupt and lose everything you own if you get sick! You can also die! We want you to have that choice!

Say it, my friends. Don't be shy. Get it out there! Let everyone know your plans for their own good. Be proud of your political positions and let everyone know them so they can consider their wisdom in this coming election.
 
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my insurance is paid for by my employer, a little over $8500 a year. next year it goes up about $500.
 
Unabogie said:
Who said anything about jail? Most conservatives I know support mandatory auto insurance. Don't you?
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This is to protect others you might cream, not yourself. Do you have a right to go around risking the lives of other people without the power to back it up if you do harm?
 
leftysergeant said:
I'm sure they can, even if not at pre-2010 levels.

If not, then their business plan sucks.

But even at that there is no right to profit from someone else's misery. Health insurance used to be non profit BY LAW. I'm cool with making it that way again. The for-profit models suck horrendously.
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Non-profits tend to have excess money at times that they have to dump into land investments or whatever since they can't keep it. Not saying that's good or bad, but when you have excess cash and are not allowed to, they do whatever they can to avoid giving it back or to the government or whatever.
 
Shalamar said:
I heartily encourage the right to shout from the mountain tops as this election approaches:

HealthCare is exactly like Video Games! It is a luxury that should only be had if you can afford it! We want you to go Bankrupt and lose everything you own if you get sick! You can also die! We want you to have that choice!

Say it, my friends. Don't be shy. Get it out there! Let everyone know your plans for their own good. Be proud of your political positions and let everyone know them so they can consider their wisdom in this coming election.
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Ameliorating the problems of bankruptcy or people who cannot afford it in no way, shape, or form suggests nationalized health care is a proper "solution", much less full single-payer.

I know some of you have thrown on blinders and are playing dumb, saying "Hey, this particular plan doesn't have most of the stuff you hate!" That's fine, but I'm still fighting the bigger battle of keeping the nationalization crap from happening. Every inch pushed away from that counts. This bigger context will crop up again in the future. Anyone who says otherwise is a flat-out liar.

Here's the theory: Certain politics and politicians want to create a modern "Social Security" for medicine, where millions become dependent on government, to secure votes for said politicians. It's not even a secret. Billary openly admitted to it, and to wanting to do for medicine what FDR did for Social Security. To see what FDR said about it, go to the round room in DC with the Constitution and Declaration of Independence in it and turn around and read the famous sayings on blue posters on the wall. If it's not there, it will be after the election.

Laugh, disbelieve, or whatever. But be an honest skeptic and file it away and see how it plays out predictively from time to time.
 
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Rika said:
I dunno, my insurance costs me 2400 a year. Then again, it's a low level Blue Cross package.

(on a side note, I'll be bloody surprised if they ever cover retroactive things.)
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I thought they were required to as part of being non-profit (perhaps with the usual "not for six months" or whatever.)
 
Beerina said:
Ameliorating the problems of bankruptcy or people who cannot afford it in no way, shape, or form suggests nationalized health care is a proper "solution", much less full single-payer.

I know some of you have thrown on blinders and are playing dumb, saying "Hey, this particular plan doesn't have most of the stuff you hate!" That's fine, but I'm still fighting the bigger battle of keeping the nationalization crap from happening. Every inch pushed away from that counts. This bigger context will crop up again in the future. Anyone who says otherwise is a flat-out liar.

Here's the theory: Certain politics and politicians want to create a modern "Social Security" for medicine, where millions become dependent on government, to secure votes for said politicians. It's not even a secret. Billary openly admitted to it, and to wanting to do for medicine what FDR did for Social Security. To see what FDR said about it, go to the round room in DC with the Constitution and Declaration of Independence in it and turn around and read the famous sayings on blue posters on the wall. If it's not there, it will be after the election.

Laugh, disbelieve, or whatever. But be an honest skeptic and file it away and see how it plays out predictively from time to time.
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I think you need to take your own blinders off. You are so against anything nationalized or single payer, that you seem to think that the current system is just dandy.

Perhaps you need to apply some skepticism yourself.
 
Beerina said:
This is to protect others you might cream, not yourself. Do you have a right to go around risking the lives of other people without the power to back it up if you do harm?
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Right, so this is exactly why they are mandating health coverage. Your failure to get coverage when you are healthy is jeopardizing my ability to get coverage when I get sick. And since all of us (almost without exception) will one day get sick and require expensive care, it's not fair of you to jack my rates up.

Same concept, once you begin to understand adverse selection and what's really driving the cost of insurance up.
 
Beerina said:
Non-profits tend to have excess money at times that they have to dump into land investments or whatever since they can't keep it. Not saying that's good or bad, but when you have excess cash and are not allowed to, they do whatever they can to avoid giving it back or to the government or whatever.
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Or they can just lower their rates until the surplus is used up. There is absolutely no harm in having some cash reserves when your purpose for existing is to pay for people's urgent and unplanned needs.
 
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