Shrien Dewani - Honeymoon murder

He's still standing.

She's still going on.

She should have waited until the "reveal" to ask him to stand. He could be on his feet for ages at this rate.
 
anglolawyer said:
That's an interesting article. What does he mean about strange behaviour?

I wish I could join in the discussion about the transcript but when I tried to read it I was told to download something first, which I attempted to do but without noticeable result so I gave up. It's quite an interesting feature of this document that it appears to buttress the diametrically opposite beliefs of both sides :D
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I wouldn't say it buttressed my beliefs, I just didn't see anything new in there. It isn't exculpatory, it's just meh.
 
Tweeted from Traverso's speech:

Traverso questions whether someone who earns about R30k in a good month, would risk his job, life etc to help commit a crime

We have had some discussion here about whether R5000 is a lot of money or not. Answer: it's not. Yet another hole in the credibility of this lousy case.
 
Dewani not guilty and Mbolombo's lost his free pass. Marvellous.


ETA: if the Hindochas are going to be honest about seeking the truth, they should push for Mbolombo's prosecution.
 
Quite a fascinating evening.

Thank you for the video link Suffolk Skeptic.

Anglo, I was entirely wrong in my prediction. I could not be happier about that.
 
anglolawyer said:
Tweeted from Traverso's speech:

Traverso questions whether someone who earns about R30k in a good month, would risk his job, life etc to help commit a crime

We have had some discussion here about whether R5000 is a lot of money or not. Answer: it's not. Yet another hole in the credibility of this lousy case.
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Yes, IIRC someone scoffed at the idea that Tongo could have earned significantly more money a month than the supposed R5,000 cut of the hit.
 
And thank you Anglo for this thread. There is much to be contemplated.
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
Quite a fascinating evening.

Thank you for the video link Suffolk Skeptic.

Anglo, I was entirely wrong in my prediction. I could not be happier about that.
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Yes, shame on you Charlie! :) Have a little faith in future. Seriously, though, these SA judges are pretty awesome IMO. 2 for 2 as you guys say.
 
R15000

This is the amount SD allegedly agreed to pay, the sum Qwabe specified as his price and by coincidence the total SD paid/lost as follows:

R10000 in bundle in Anni's purse/glove box/wherever
R4000 in his pocket
R1000 in secret handover at Cape Grace hotel

That's quite something. I'm surprised no one is asking how the three witnesses came up with this number between them and what the precise role of the elite Hawks was in jogging their memories.
 
I'm bored now it's all over. I'm glad the judge decided to skip to the end, but what am I going to read about all day at work?
 
anglolawyer said:
Already linked a few posts above. Turns out SD did mention the helicopter trip within a day or two of the crime.
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Seems like justice was correctly applied in this case. As ever, large sections of the media are misunderstanding and misinterpreting what's happened here. The court did NOT find that Dewani was categorically not involved in his wife's murder, but instead it found that there was no credible evidence that he WAS involved.

Personally, I am ambivalent as to whether in fact Dewani was involved at all, but since there's clearly no decent evidence that he was, he should rightfully be considered innocent. At the moment, it would certainly appear that the case against him wouldn't even survive a "balance of probabilities" test.

One other thing (and not intended as a snide jibe): I wonder how Dewani's mental health issues will manifest themselves (or otherwise) in the coming weeks, months and years? Will he, I wonder, have an Ernest-Saunders-esque miracle return to good mental health? Will he be posting carefree contact messages on Grindr within a couple of months? Or is his mental health affliction real and longlasting?
 
LondonJohn said:
Seems like justice was correctly applied in this case. As ever, large sections of the media are misunderstanding and misinterpreting what's happened here. The court did NOT find that Dewani was categorically not involved in his wife's murder, but instead it found that there was no credible evidence that he WAS involved.

Personally, I am ambivalent as to whether in fact Dewani was involved at all, but since there's clearly no decent evidence that he was, he should rightfully be considered innocent. At the moment, it would certainly appear that the case against him wouldn't even survive a "balance of probabilities" test.

One other thing (and not intended as a snide jibe): I wonder how Dewani's mental health issues will manifest themselves (or otherwise) in the coming weeks, months and years? Will he, I wonder, have an Ernest-Saunders-esque miracle return to good mental health? Will he be posting carefree contact messages on Grindr within a couple of months? Or is his mental health affliction real and longlasting?
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It was regarded as a problem by both sides' psychiatrists when he was fighting extradition. He had ample reason to be depressed and traumatised:

1 his wife had been murdered
2 he was being accused
3 he was threatened with exposure of his private life (the SA authorities tried to blackmail him into abandoning his resistance to extradition) and
4 he faced the prospect of awaiting trial in a SA prison where he stood every chance of being raped and contracting AIDS

He did not complain of dementia, from which there have indeed been some miracle recoveries, but depression which is treatable and attributable, in his case, to temporary causes.

Actually, FWIW, I think he is wholly innocent, that being the likeliest reason why the prosecution case was so incredibly weak (as I have been saying for the last four years).
 
anglolawyer said:
It was regarded as a problem by both sides' psychiatrists when he was fighting extradition. He had ample reason to be depressed and traumatised:

1 his wife had been murdered
2 he was being accused
3 he was threatened with exposure of his private life (the SA authorities tried to blackmail him into abandoning his resistance to extradition) and
4 he faced the prospect of awaiting trial in a SA prison where he stood every chance of being raped and contracting AIDS

He did not complain of dementia, from which there have indeed been some miracle recoveries, but depression which is treatable and attributable, in his case, to temporary causes.

Actually, FWIW, I think he is wholly innocent, that being the likeliest reason why the prosecution case was so incredibly weak (as I have been saying for the last four years).
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I agree, I think he is innocent. There are questions I haven't seen answers to, but there are possible answers that I can think of that are far more plausible than the idea that he had his wife killed, so I'm satisfied. We'll never hear all the answers now anyway.
 
Suffolk Skeptic said:
The judge has asked Dewani to stand. Can't be that much longer. I'm looking forward to the post acquittal analysis now.

The judge is going through the evidence in great detail and pointing out lots of inconsistencies. She describes most of them as lies.
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I've found your posts on this case quite insightful, especially the one about a month or so ago where you spelled out quite succinctly just why Anni's relatives may have good reason to feel antipathy towards Shrien Dewani.

Sorry if I came across a little strong at first, in my first readings about this case I came across the 'Justice for Anni' campaign and those have begun to sicken me. I was never aiming your direction but howling at the moon.
 
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