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Showdown in Washington, D.C.

Biscuit said:
However in my short time on this earth I have heard religious people use the bible to justify all manner of behavior
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And I've heard a-religious people justify all manner of behavior.

Some of worst atrocities of the last 100 years or so have been at the hands of secularists and secular governments.

You hold no high moral ground there, Biscuit.
 
BeAChooser said:
And I've heard a-religious people justify all manner of behavior.

Some of worst atrocities of the last 100 years or so have been at the hands of secularists and secular governments.

You hold no high moral ground there, Biscuit.
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Oh I was not going for a moral high ground. I just choose not to debate christianity as they always have a justification, that was the point of the entire paragraph. A christian actions are always justifiable to himself no matter what. Because they are christ like they can find no fault in themselves or their religions.
 
Biscuit said:
Because they are christ like they can find no fault in themselves or their religions.
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I think you are conflating fundamentalists with all Christians. I find plenty of faults with my religion. For example, why wasn't God more precise in the Bible? Too much room for interpretation.
 
mhaze said:
This cannot be juryrigged into a forcing of people into "belief", or a forcing of people to make all things common, or a forcing of people to part their goods to all men. Further it describes the way the starter groups of christians operated, and can't be extended to be an assertion of how Rome should have operated.
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It is a rather large stone in your shoe if you are trying to say that Christianity favors capitalism, or the either capitalism or Christianity need each other.

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Your second wild and crazy assertion might have some merit but it ascribes a characteristic to capitalism which is a false attribution. That is, you have not shown that this is discretely an attribute of capitalism and not of socialism, capitalism, or fascism.
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Capitalism is almost totally dependent on usury. Socialism is not. Fascism is, ecconomicly, not that much different from capitalism and thus needs usury as
one of the means of producing profit.

If you accept that all these societal forms incorporate interest, then you have a moot point where no cause and effect is implied, but where instead, some fundamental use or need of interest pervades these societal forms.
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Big freaking "IF." You fail right there.

Further proof that the Bible is not pro-capitalist is that fee-simple ownership of any land beyond what your house sits on is prohibited.

Buh-bye.
 
BeAChooser said:
I think most folks can recognize you tried for it. And missed.
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I saw it for what he was trying to say. Your "secular people do bad things too" retort was, although certainly true, completely irrelevant.
 
Lurker said:
I think you are conflating fundamentalists with all Christians. I find plenty of faults with my religion. For example, why wasn't God more precise in the Bible? Too much room for interpretation.
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Almost as if it was written by fallible man.
 
Biscuit said:
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Anyone can spend enough time with the bible and come up with a reason for doing anything they like. It is full of contradictions and a copulation of work over several hundred years and untold editions and translations. At the end of the day christians will just scream "FAITH" as the reason they know they are right.

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I suspect that you might have meant to say "compilation" there. But inadvertent or intentional it is a remarkably perceptive statement. :p

That one is worth saving. Thanks.
 
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BeAChooser said:
What would the world look like without the ability to makes interest bearing loans? Like the 14th century islamic world?
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That would be bad in what way?

Certainly, there would be no profit in credit default swaps or credit cards at 35% interest.

If you wanted to make money from your money, you would have to invest it in the process of actually making stuff.

This would be good.
 
leftysergeant said:
What, in terms of ecconomics was wrong with Islam in the 14th Century?
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The problem is what not allowing interest loans did to the islamic world. It stifled it's economy and that had consequence in ALL other areas. The portion of the world that did allow such loans left them behind in terms of economic growth and wealth accumulation. Left them behind to the degree that islamic countries are now amongst the poorest in the world ... unless they happened to be sitting on a pool of oil. Then it took western nations who needed oil to power their economies to pump out that oil with western technology to make at least some of those 14th century anachronisms wealthy beyond all sense of *fairness* and *social justice*. Indeed, one can argue that wealth is what freed women in the West. Not just good intentions. One can argue that wealth is what ended slavery. Not just good intentions. So one can argue that the consequences of allowing interest bearing loans both freed women and ended slavery in the West. Which perhaps explains why women today are still subjugated in so many islamic nations and why islamic nations are amongst the few to still experience true slavery. :D
 
quadraginta said:
I suspect that you might have meant to say "compilation" there. But inadvertent or intentional it is a remarkably perceptive statement. :p

That one is worth saving. Thanks.
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Taking a bow and leaving the room, adios.
 
C-SPAN caller Steve has a few words of wisdom for Al's 'Reclaim the Dream' march.

"You guys just use Dr. King's name up and down every year and it's only gotten worse. You have used Civil rights against black people."

http://www.simfany.com/news-agent/education-176/rev-al-sharpton-blasted-on-cspan-69171/


"Let the line stretch. They're already going to say there were only 2,000 or 3,000 of you here. If people start heckling, smile at them. This ain't about you, it's about Dr. King." A.S.

How many people did Al believe were in attendance?
 
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