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Showdown in Washington, D.C.

elbe said:
And I didn't realize that our resident right wing extremists are experts at crowd counting.
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Lurker said:
You must have missed where Cicero advised he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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"NBC News political reporter, tweeted that a National Parks Service official at the top of the Memorial estimated between 300,000 and 325,000."

The NPS official must have stayed in the right wing of a Holiday Inn Express.
 
Cicero said:
"NBC News political reporter, tweeted that a National Parks Service official at the top of the Memorial estimated between 300,000 and 325,000."
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At least you have provided a source that may have some expertise, generally speaking. I'll take it!
 
Lurker said:
At least you have provided a source that may have some expertise, generally speaking. I'll take it!
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Might be nice if it was a bit more reliable than tweeting that someone said so. But that's still better than his previous claims.
 
BeAChooser said:
Have you stopped to consider what 86,000 people (CBS' estimate) should look like spread out over the area seen in this photo: http://a.imageshack.us/img163/1691/beckrallyl.jpg ? That area is 2029 feet long and about 400 feet wide on both sides of the pond. If you spread out 86,000, that's 1 person per 2029 * 800 / 86000 = 20 square feet. You can see that the density is far greater than that. You can see in the photo I linked above that the density along the perimeter of the pond is far, far greater than that. And the many photos I linked of crowds under the trees earlier also show crowds that are far more dense than that spacing. Sorry, but the CBS' estimate should be nonsense to any rational, skeptical person who looks at these photos. So I guess this thread only confirms that certain folks on this forum are neither rational or skeptical. :D
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Consider the following.

1. Remove the unused and unusable space. Not just the reflection pool but other monuments, walking paths, bathrooms, even vegitation. There is lots of other space on the mall that is not standing room. This cuts down on your square footage estimate greatly.

2. The density varies throughout the mall. It will be a lot tighter the closer you get to the stage, thinning out on the way back.

3. Look closely at photos of the event. The density of one person per 2.5 is no where near accurate or universal for the mall.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/aug/28/beck-calls-crowd-find-god/

Look how many people are sitting in lawn chairs. Those take up a great deal more than 2.5 square feet.

4. Why won't you use the methods that the experts used?
 
Biscuit said:
Using twitter as evidence is indeed a baby step.
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Considering the NPS official didn't Twitter, as that was the NBC reporter, perhaps you could explain what Twitter has to do with "evidence?" Then you can justify why you prefer the CBS hired guns to the NPS official's estimation.
 
BeAChooser said:
Here are some more photos for you to ignore:

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2010-08/55837717.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/31124293@N02/4938585841/

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/08/28/article-1306961-0AF38360000005DC-7_634x420.jpg

http://images.tbd.com/politics/glenn-beck-rally-westcott-828-005_606.jpg
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Lose the attitude. We aren't ignoring your photo evidence. We are, in fact, marvelling at the amopunt of green showing between the nutbars in much of that field to the left of the screen.
 
 
BeAChooser said:
LOL! So why haven't they released the actual photos used in their analysis? :D
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If you pay them money I'm sure they will give them to you. The company's in business to make a profit, they won't make a lot of money giving away their product. Ain't that the American way?
 
Spindrift said:
I see lots of empty space in the foreground of that picture.

Why is everyone facing away from the Lincoln Memorial?
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They are watching Beck walk on water.


BeckWalksOnWater.jpg
 
mhaze said:
That tells me that all the lying hacks both on this forum and on the media have some little agendas they are Obeying to. Thus on this subject they use the tactic of persistent and insistent denial. Nothing new with that.
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Lurker said:
I agree. Michelle Bachman's estimate of one million betrays her as a lying hack with a little agenda she is Obeying.
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Mhaze, do you have a rebuttal?
 
Cicero said:
They are watching Beck walk on water.
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Indeed. Funny stuff.


Back to the topic. Do you now understand why the word controversial was used correctly?

Do you have a source for the 2,000,000 estimate?
 
Ladewig said:
Indeed. Funny stuff.


Back to the topic. Do you now understand why the word controversial was used correctly?

Do you have a source for the 2,000,000 estimate?
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It seemed the lame stream media wanted to characterize an event as "controversial" before the event took place. What specifically about the promotions for the event tipped off those in the media that is was going to be "controversial?" Now that the event is over, what was controversial about what occurred at the event? The no arrests part?
 
Cicero said:
It seemed the lame stream media wanted to characterize an event as "controversial" before the event took place. What specifically about the promotions for the event tipped off those in the media that is was going to be "controversial?" Now that the event is over, what was controversial about what occurred at the event? The no arrests part?
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Your 2,000,000 estimate is controversial. Want to explain it?
 
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