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Showdown in Washington, D.C.

It's good that Beck moderated himself for the rally, though I'm guessing his ulterior motive is to increase his own viewers (judging by one of Beck's regular advertisers his current viewership is probably dying) and then try to woo them into his insanity.
 
Cicero:

Enough with your attempts at misdirection. Why are you trusting sources that have not even advised of their methods over one that does? It is fine to be skeptical but base your skepticism on something and be consistent.
 
Lurker said:
Cicero:

Enough with your attempts at misdirection. Why are you trusting sources that have not even advised of their methods over one that does? It is fine to be skeptical but base your skepticism on something and be consistent.
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Arguably, he is.

He's basing his "skepticism" on his belief that the "liberal" media is "wrong" while Beck, on the other hand, is right.

At least he's being consistent with his blind support for the extreme right-wing pundits...
 
Cicero said:
What? You have a difficult time following along. Curt Westergard, owner of airphotoslive, has Twitter buddies that include Moore, Gore & Huffington.

Steve Doig, one of the two estimators hired by Curt Westergard, makes his politics clear in his own rant about Michelle Bachmann, conservative bloggers, and the 300,000 to 500,000 estimates
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My mistake. I get so confused with these guilt by twitter accusations. I offer my apologies.

It was three estimators and they averaged their numbers plus or minus a margin of error. given the MOE is 9K, all three, despite their personal politics, were pretty close in their estimations. However, none of them came close to the numbers you are claiming. Numbers that you can't provide a methodology for other than a happy guess.
 
Sooo...The AirPhotosLive estimate is wrong not because of any issues with methodology or information-gathering, but because the guy who runs the company follows Michael Moore on Twitter.

Yeah. That makes sense. :rolleyes:
 
Cleon said:
Sooo...The AirPhotosLive estimate is wrong not because of any issues with methodology or information-gathering, but because the guy who runs the company follows Michael Moore on Twitter.

Yeah. That makes sense. :rolleyes:
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Nobody said it makes sense to Twitter. The methodology was farmed out to Steve Doig, one of two folks relied on for their counting "expertise." This 'expert" couldn't wait to rant about Michelle Bachmann, conservative bloggers, and the 300,000 to 500,000 estimates in his explanation of how he arrived at his figure.
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Looking at the pictures CBS posted in their article it sure looks like the crowd thins heavily, especially on the south side of the reflecting pool.

Cicero said:
Nobody said it makes sense to Twitter. The methodology was farmed out to Steve Doig, one of two folks relied on for their counting "expertise." This 'expert" couldn't wait to rant about Michelle Bachmann, conservative bloggers, and the 300,000 to 500,000 estimates in his explanation of how he arrived at his figure.
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Really? Did he "rant" about Bachmann? Let's look at the quote you posted:
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"Now the fun begins in the blogosphere. NBC News, the New York Times, and other large media outlets that didn’t attempt a scientific estimate uncritically accepted Beck’s claim of “300,000 to 500,000″. (At least Rep. Michelle Bachmann’s laughable claim of 1 million isn’t being treated seriously.)
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She's mentioned once just in reference to her claim to have 1 million people, which he, presumably in a professional view, finds laughable. It actually says nothing about Bachmann or what his own politics are. He also criticizes the 300k-500k numbers as he seems to find them unscientifically derived.
 
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Cicero said:
Nobody said it makes sense to Twitter. The methodology was farmed out to Steve Doig, one of two folks relied on for their counting "expertise."
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I'm sure there's some other equally valid reason why the other two are lying. :rolleyes:

This 'expert" couldn't wait to rant about Michelle Bachmann, conservative bloggers, and the 300,000 to 500,000 estimates in his explanation of how he arrived at his figure.
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Yes, because they pulled numbers out of their backsides to pump up the numbers as much as possible - and rather obviously so. Frankly, the fact that you're so willing to give them a pass on that says more about your willingness to let politics drive your conclusions than Doig's.

Cicero, can you point to any flaws in the methodology APL used, or not?
 
Cicero said:
Mr. Doig only mentions Ryan Shuler as the other estimator.
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I read an article yesterday stating 3 experts but I can't seem to find it now, I will keep looking.

In the meantime have you found a methodology for the much higher numbers you are claiming?
 
Lurker said:
Cicero:

Enough with your attempts at misdirection. Why are you trusting sources that have not even advised of their methods over one that does? It is fine to be skeptical but base your skepticism on something and be consistent.
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Did Beck mention T.R. at his rally? If he didn't, would mentioning his opinion of T.R. in this thread be a "misdirection?"

CBS did a superb job of advertising their 86,000 figure. Let's see if The New York Times, NBC, SkyNews, etc, will now revise down their 300,000 and 500,000 estimates.
 
Cicero said:
Did Beck mention T.R. at his rally? If he didn't, would mentioning his opinion of T.R. in this thread be a "misdirection?"
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I am glad you admit you were attempting to misdirect. My apologies for falling for your midirection.
 
Cicero said:
Did Beck mention T.R. at his rally? If he didn't, would mentioning his opinion of T.R. in this thread be a "misdirection?"

CBS did a superb job of advertising their 86,000 figure. Let's see if The New York Times, NBC, SkyNews, etc, will now revise down their 300,000 and 500,000 estimates.
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Of course Beck did not mention that at the rally. That would scare away the suckers. You get them hooked first, then you push the crazy.
 
Cicero said:
You mean your misdirection.

Why does CBS news make a point of mentioning Beck's rally count and characterizing his rally as "controversial," while not mentiong numbers at all at Shaprton's apparently non-controversial rally? What's up with that?

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6819262n
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Sharpton's rally was a non-issue; why do you think there's some sort of point to be made there?


Can you point to any flaws in the methodology APL used, or not?
 
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