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Should steroid use be illegal?

Please see HBO's Real Sports available on demand (the latest episode, don't know the episode number).

the evidence that steroids are dangerous in healthy adult men is simply not there.

in the vast majority of cases they'll give you pimples, maybe you'll lose some hair but you're not going to die or get sick.

and you will get big muscles.
 
HarryKeogh said:
Please see HBO's Real Sports available on demand (the latest episode, don't know the episode number).

the evidence that steroids are dangerous in healthy adult men is simply not there.

in the vast majority of cases they'll give you pimples, maybe you'll lose some hair but you're not going to die or get sick.

and you will get big muscles.
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So all of these doctors are lying? Or they just wasted their time going to school and performing scientific research because it disagrees with HBO?
 
here's the link to the episode of Real Sports

Real Sports

Armen Keteyian, who has been reporting on illegal substances in sports for the past five years, investigates the belief held by some scientists that steroids,when properly administered , cause no harm in adults.
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bold is mine.
 
crimresearch said:
Dustin, here are your exact words from this thread...deny them if you want:

"2.The only studies posted supporting increased aggression when using AAS was done on non-humans which means nothing when studies exist that were done on humans.


The only studies showing aggression were done on non-humans...that is what you said...then you claimed that the studies showing aggression were anecdotal...
Do you seriously believe that they did anecdotal studies on ANIMALS?


Then you claimed the studies were poorly worded..now you claim they listed Creatinine as something other than AAS.

Feel free to back up your claims that these poorly worded, anecdotal studies with Creatinine were done on non-humans.

Or shall we just agree that bodybuilding and science are two areas where you haven't provided any useful information, and let you move on?
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You're a liar is what you are....You're completly misquoting what I said.
I said clearly and anyone can see what I said in my post.

The only studies posted supporting increased aggression when using AAS was done on non-humans which means nothing when studies exist that were done on humans.
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It's obvious im wasting my time with you.

You drop subjects when I have shown they are fallacies or absurd and move onto something completly unrelated subjects.

You lie about having said something when I have proved you have said it.

And you Lie and Misquote me and edit what I said to fit your claim of me saying it.
 
crimresearch said:
So all of these doctors are lying? Or they just wasted their time going to school and performing scientific research because it disagrees with HBO?
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The only studies you posted were attempting to show steroids CAN cause a increase in aggression in SOME people. Increase in aggression does NOT mean the drugs are unhealthy to adults. Heck,Driving can cause increased aggression but that does not mean it's unhealth.

None of your studies showed steroids cause heart problems,Liver problems or any other long term defects.
 
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Ed said:
http://www.vh.org/adult/provider/psychiatry/CPS/26.html

No problem with crack, nosireebob. Particularly with people whose judgement you depend on, like lawyers, doctors, piolets, people whoact in loco parentis and such.



http://www.nysccc.org/cocaine.html

Nothing wrong with self absorbtion, not at all. Getting high is really, really important.
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Pilots or doctors would obviously not be allowed to be high on the job. The same way they can't be intoxicated by alcohol on the job.
 
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Dustin said:
Pilots or doctors would obviously not be allowed to be high on the job. The same way they can't be intoxicated by alcohol on the job.
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Read up on it. You can have a psychotic break when the drug wears off. What you suggest is irresponsible in the extreme. I note that you don't comment on the effect of cocaine on unborn children. Do you take a libertarian view that the mother should be sued or somesuch?
 
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Ed said:
Read up on it. You can have a psychotic break when the drug wears off. What you suggest is irresponsible in the extreme. I note that you don't comment on the effect of cocaine on unborn children. Do you take a libertarian view that the mother should be sued or somesuch?
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If that's the case than anyone in those professions should not be permited to use the drugs. But you have to remember,Just because they are illegal does not mean they are not going to use them. They should preform drug tests on the pilots or doctors often to see if they are using any drugs.


Also,I don't think anyone should use any such drugs when they are pregnate or conceiving.
 
Dustin said:
The only studies you posted were attempting to show steroids CAN cause a increase in aggression in SOME people. Increase in aggression does NOT mean the drugs are unhealthy to adults. Heck,Driving can cause increased aggression but that does not mean it's unhealth.

None of your studies showed steroids cause heart problems,Liver problems or any other long term defects.
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I never said anything at all about heart, liver problems etc. in those studies...but then you already knew that, didn't you?.

I posted recent studies on AAS and aggression, and asked for comments on the Otnow-Lewis CHI possibility.

You don't even have a clue what that is do you?

Which would explain why you responded with a flurry of name calling, and logical howlers about anecdotal studies on non-humans, and denying direct unaltered quotes of your own posts, much as you did before running away from the last bodybuilding thread, where it was revealed that you know nothing about these subjects.

I doubt if anyone will be holding their breath waiting for you to answer the questions.
 
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Dustin said:
If that's the case than anyone in those professions should not be permited to use the drugs. But you have to remember,Just because they are illegal does not mean they are not going to use them. They should preform drug tests on the pilots or doctors often to see if they are using any drugs.


Also,I don't think anyone should use any such drugs when they are pregnate or conceiving.
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But making them more ubiquitious is ok, right?

In any event, you have just made them illegal for certain classes and that is in fact a drug law.
 
HarryKeogh said:
No, just wrong.
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OK, thank you for the link.

But just so we are on the same page, I posted studies, including a 2003 paper, that showed some slight positive correlation between AAS users and aggression, and you are saying that this HBO special proves those studies wrong because 'some scientists believe' that properly administered steroids cause no harm?


Sound like apples and oranges to me...
 
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Ed said:
But making them more ubiquitious is ok, right?

In any event, you have just made them illegal for certain classes and that is in fact a drug law.
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Pregnate people and pilots are not a "class".


Making them illegal to people who when taking them would obviously cause harm to others would not make sense,Neither would making them illegal to everyone period.

Obviously each drug should be treated differently. Drugs like Marijuana where no studies exist showing long term health problems(except from the smoke) should be available to alot more people than a drug like Cocaine.
 
crimresearch said:
OK, thank you for the link.

But just so we are on the same page, I posted studies, including a 2003 paper, that showed some slight positive correlation between AAS users and aggression, and you are saying that this HBO special proves those studies wrong because 'some scientists believe' that properly administered steroids cause no harm?


Sound like apples and oranges to me...
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Once again you completly fail to even read what the person posted.

This is what the link actually said that the person posted about real sports.

Virtually everybody from sportswriters and talk-show hosts to league executives and U.S. Congressmen has weighed in on the subject of steroid use. In a tell-all book that made headlines this spring, former baseball star Jose Canseco wrote about the positive effects of steroids in reasonable doses. Was he right? Armen Keteyian, who has been reporting on illegal substances in sports for the past five years, investigates the belief held by some scientists that steroids, when properly administered, cause no harm in adults.
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Nowhere does it say it can not cause aggression. It says it does not cause long term health defects and can have positive effects.

And as i've said about 5 times already....Increased risk of aggression does NOT have to be something dangerous if you can control your aggression. Even assuming the study you posted is right,The person doing the study said himself that MOST people tested showed no increased aggression.


This is exactly why Im not going waste my time with you anymore.
 
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