Should Homeopathy be illegal?

[Guest]

Yes, arsenic is poisonous, but a 12X dilution of arsenic is not. The U.S. government considers regular consumption of 7X dilution of arsenic to be within their guidelines for safe drinking water. Meaning the water at Fort Leavenworth is 10,000 times safer than the federal limit. If you had clicked the links I gave, you would know this. And you would also know where the arsenic came from in the Fort Leavenworth tap water.

Listen xouper it is no good you shouting numbers at me, I dont do maths and I switch off. The only time I enjoyed maths type of thing is( 69 ) when I learnt about Quantam mechanics and nuclear physics, until I got bored.


me oh yes quantam mechanic hates numbers easily bored.

 

[Flatworm]

That was an example I knew of,
LET ME RUN THIS BY AGAIN... HOMEOPATHY PRINCIPLES TREAT LIKE WITH LIKE(SIMILARS) that is how it is supposed to work,

Well, the main point here is that it doesn't work. That's what the properly conducted scientific research is telling us. The idea that similarity between an illness's symptoms and those of a high dosage of a particular substance is a reliable guide to identifying effective remedies has never been borne out in scientific testing. Homeopaths generally resort to pointing out a few (often very tenuous) examples and claim they prove their theory in general.

Can you show me where you got the idea that quinine produces symptoms similar to malaria? Similar enough to warrant drawing a link between drug and disease to the exclusion of other drugs and other diseases?

You won't find it here.

 

[xouper]

Listen xouper it is no good you shouting numbers at me, I dont do maths and I switch off.

Unless you understand the numbers, you have no understanding of the dilutions. It's that simple. But thank you for admitting that you have no clue.

 

[Ipecac]

And it's not like those were a boatload of numbers. 12 times, 7 times, and 10,000. What's not to understand?

 

[afree87]

Lookie here, R.S.:

Arsenic is very deadly. You don't want it in your water.

The water at Fort Whatsit contained 6C of arsenic, and that's still a tiny percentage of the federal limit.

So why would 15C or 30C of some herb do anything?

 

[xouper]

And it's not like those were a boatload of numbers. 12 times, 7 times, and 10,000. What's not to understand?

Well, to be fair, I mistyped the 7X. Should have been 8X. I went back and added an erratum.

Isn't anyone checking my numbers?

 

[RichardR]

Treat like with like. Similars is the term. I can only back it up with what I know hard concrete scientific evidence as in clinical trial, probably not, alI can back it up with is what I know on how it works and what i know about homeopathy, if that is not good enough then it ends. .

I know what the claim for homeopathy is. I wanted to see if you had any proof. You don’t have any and that’s OK, but I ask you – if you have no proof, why do you believe it? It goes against everything that is known by science. That doesn’t mean it’s wrong, but doesn’t it mean we need some proof?

Half of all illnesses around are caused side effects of modern medicines. YES that has been well documented on already, Vallium, Prozac, Celebrex/Voix etc There side effects cause more illnesess in that person to develop not all patients will but there are some that do.(again see above for the piece I put, it is a real person that went through it and not me) .

If by “illnesses”, you are including the known side effects, then you are misrepresenting the facts.

Btw, I’m not sure what you provided these links for:

http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchRep...escription.html
Link doesn’t work

http://www.benzodiazepine.org/
Drug addiction article. Doesn’t answer the questions.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/1024617.stm
bbc article on Melanie Griffith. Doesn’t answer the questions

http://www.benzo.org.uk/abpord.htm
http://www.solpadeinehelp.org.uk/
http://www.grieved.fsnet.co.uk/
More on addictions. Doesn’t answer the questions

 

[Ipecac]

Well, to be fair, I mistyped the 7X. Should have been 8X. I went back and added an erratum.

Isn't anyone checking my numbers?

Oh, well then no wonder she was confused! Geez Xouper!

 

[dmarker]

Force or kick start the healing process etc, make the bodies immune system kick in and deal with the sympton.

Isn't that unnatural?

 

[Soubrette]

xouper

Sorry I missed yours (the one molecule thing) and yes it explains it perfectly

That coupled with the fact that after a certain dilution there is not enough water on the planet to dilute further using all the original solution (within its subsequent dilutions) make me see that it is likely that only very very rarely will one of the dilutions contain even one molecule of the original.

If that makes sense

And thanks to Andalyn too

Sou

 

[xouper]

That coupled with the fact that after a certain dilution there is not enough water on the planet to dilute further using all the original solution (within its subsequent dilutions) make me see that it is likely that only very very rarely will one of the dilutions contain even one molecule of the original.

Several people have given different angles attempting to de-mystify this. Here's another one.

If one fluid ounce of a 30C dilution contains even one molecule of a homeopathic agent, it can no longer be called a 30C dilution, because one molecule per ounce is by definition a 12C dilution.

 

[davidhorman]

If one fluid ounce of a 30C dilution contains even one molecule of a homeopathic agent, it can no longer be called a 30C dilution, because one molecule per ounce is by definition a 12C dilution.

Ah, but Xoup, the number of water molecule shell thingies will be different each time you dilute, and that's what counts.

...or whatever other explanation a homeopath might give.

David

 

[xouper]

Ah, but Xoup, the number of water molecule shell thingies will be different each time you dilute, and that's what counts. ...or whatever other explanation a homeopath might give.

Ah, but David, the next question is how many "water molecule shell thingies" are there in an ounce of 30C dilution? Is it more or less than the number of "water molecule shell thingies" in a 60C dilution? Or if it's the same number for both, then how is a scientist supposed to measure the difference between a 30C and 60C dilution? I assume these questions are answered somewhere, I just haven't found them yet.

 

[Doctor X]

John:

Ah, but Xoup, the number of water molecule shell thingies will be different each time you dilute, and that's what counts.

...or whatever other explanation a homeopath might give. . . .

My favorite "explanation" is that the "water remembers" the substance.

However, no homeopath has been then able to explain sewage treatment. . . .

DON'T DRINK THE WATER!!!!!!!

--J.D.

 

[Guest]

How can you outlaw stupidity?

If you outlaw homeopathy, you will have to outlaw other stupid ideas as well. God comes to mind.

 

[Guest]

Well, the main point here is that it doesn't work. That's what the properly conducted scientific research is telling us. The idea that similarity between an illness's symptoms and those of a high dosage of a particular substance is a reliable guide to identifying effective remedies has never been borne out in scientific testing. Homeopaths generally resort to pointing out a few (often very tenuous) examples and claim they prove their theory in general.

Can you show me where you got the idea that quinine produces symptoms similar to malaria? Similar enough to warrant drawing a link between drug and disease to the exclusion of other drugs and other diseases?

You won't find it here.

I said pervuvian bark produces like for like,which quinine is extracted from.

Me wishing people would read and not add things that arent there.

 

[Guest]

And it's not like those were a boatload of numbers. 12 times, 7 times, and 10,000. What's not to understand?

didnt say I didnt understand I said I dont do numbers or maths, I hate it.

I dont make the medicine up, so the numbers mean diddly squat to me. In other words I am not interested in number just the what it does or doesnt do.


me wishing people wouldnt keep saying I dont understand numbers, I am not intrested in numbers.

 

[Guest]

Lookie here, R.S.:

Arsenic is very deadly. You don't want it in your water.

The water at Fort Whatsit contained 6C of arsenic, and that's still a tiny percentage of the federal limit.

So why would 15C or 30C of some herb do anything?

15c 30c what of? Asprin isnt total asprin is it yet that works to some effect doesnt it?

0.26% active ingrediant convert it to c, tell me the result of the c
0.308g as above

me making a comparrison.

 

[Guest]

I know what the claim for homeopathy is. I wanted to see if you had any proof. You don’t have any and that’s OK, but I ask you – if you have no proof, why do you believe it? It goes against everything that is known by science. That doesn’t mean it’s wrong, but doesn’t it mean we need some proof?

If by “illnesses”, you are including the known side effects, then you are misrepresenting the facts.

Btw, I’m not sure what you provided these links for:

http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchRep...escription.html
Link doesn’t work

http://www.benzodiazepine.org/
Drug addiction article. Doesn’t answer the questions.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/1024617.stm
bbc article on Melanie Griffith. Doesn’t answer the questions



http://www.benzo.org.uk/abpord.htm
http://www.solpadeinehelp.org.uk/
http://www.grieved.fsnet.co.uk/
More on addictions. Doesn’t answer the questions

Why do I believe simple science does not explain everything and science is still in its infant stage, subject to change(when allowed and not covered up) I know people it has helped I have read its why and where fores, Now as the feel good factor cant be scientifically proven, and it plays a part in homeopathy I believe for same it does work despite claims that there is nothing in it.

The idea of Homeopathy is feasible, Herbalism more so,
theory of mine probably ludricous.... bodies chemicals, energy sound etc, are fragile, anything that changes its normality the body attacks, adding more chemicals etc that are foreign to the body create more probs. Homeopathy attacks the chemical etc that is foreign and so aids the body recovery by making it null by treating itself with itself and removing it from the body.
After all we know less about our bodies than many other things.


Went off track a bit there, guess thats what I get for doing my homework at the same time as posting, and trying to go through 100gb of stored information. The drug adiction part was that it down happen was for somebody else.

Proof exactly what do you need?

Like I said I know about homeopathy I am not an expert or user of it I have read it looked it up and studied it for my own interest.

If by “illnesses”, you are including the known side effects, then you are misrepresenting the facts. Lost me

me been told I can believe unless science tell me too or richardr does.

 

[Guest]

Isn't that unnatural?

No why?

similars help the body nice
opposites dont bad

me getting the feeling my questions dont get answered