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Should children be subject to new TSA screening procedures?

Should children be subject to new TSA screening procedures?

  • Yes, children should be photographed naked.

    Votes: 13 41.9%
  • No, children should be subject to frisking, involving explicit contant with genitals, instead

    Votes: 1 3.2%
  • No, children should neither be photographed naked, nor have their genitals frisked

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No, no one should be photographed naked, nor have their genitals frisked

    Votes: 11 35.5%
  • On planet X, we walk around naked anyway

    Votes: 6 19.4%

  • Total voters
    31
For me the repeated stories of the TSA doing terrible things in the name of security make me distinctly less willing to fly. Every plane trip I've taken in recent years (and there haven't been that many) has been for a more "serious" event than just a vacation. At this point I don't even consider just jumping on a plane to go somewhere for a weekend. The addition of the scanners makes me even less willing to travel. Required (or even likely) body cavity searches would put me into the "only in direst emergency" camp for flying. "Sorry I can't come to the funeral, don't want a guy sticking his fingers up my pupr."

I wonder how big an effect the TSA is having on number of flyers. Certainly seems like there's a lot of people who no longer fly for fun, and the scanners are likely to make a lot more (particularly once large numbers of their "impossible to record" images leak out. ). I'm betting there are already web domains reserved to host them. "Natalie Portman at O'hare! JFK! Dulles!"

Amusing to think that the same politicians who are so nominally pro-business and anti-regulation are also so pro-government security forces which are actively hurting an industry.
 

This has already been linked several times in this thread, to several different sources.

To those who argue that this is ok, because no one will ever see these pictures, well, bad news:

One Hundred Naked Citizens: One Hundred Leaked Body Scans

I wonder if anyone who previously supported these TSA procedures will change their opinion in light of this new development. As predicted, these photos did not stay very private for long.

While the fidelity of the scans from this machine are of surprisingly low resolution, especially compared to the higher resolution "naked scanners" using the potentially harmful x-ray backscatter technology, the TSA and other government agencies have repeatedly touted the quality of "Advanced Imaging Technology" while simultaneously assuring customers that operators "cannot store, print, transmit or save the image, and the image."

And as usual, the Federal Government has been caught red-handed, lying through its teeth.

Related: Penn from Penn & Teller is the man
 
The most disturbing detail to me about the Tyner incident is that after he refused both the nude photo and the manual exam apparently the TSA wants to fine him upwards of $10,000 for "leaving the security area without permission". So if he's not under arrest why can he not legally just walk away?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/15/tsa-probe-scan-resistor/


Legally, he absolutely can. He's not under arrest, and there is no evidence of him being involved in a crime. Attempting to detain him against his will, either by physical force, or by threat of “legal” action and fines, amounts to attempted kidnapping, which is a felony.
 
I don't think they should be recording scans of everyone but I have no issue with the scanner. Lots of people have seen my body naked in a professional capacity, this is really no different. And if I did have a problem I just wouldn't fly.

Someone brought up cavity searches.....Couldn't more sophisticated sniffer devices help with that kind of stuff? Or just more dogs?
 
The most disturbing detail to me about the Tyner incident is that after he refused both the nude photo and the manual exam apparently the TSA wants to fine him upwards of $10,000 for "leaving the security area without permission". So if he's not under arrest why can he not legally just walk away?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/15/tsa-probe-scan-resistor/
Apparently walking away is a civil offense, not a criminal one. People don't get arrested for civil offernses.
 
Holy smokes I have some good news for a change-

Sanford Airport to opt out of TSA screening


U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

I'm glad to see I'm not the only American who demands respect and dignity.
The news isn't as good as you think. Did you read the last line of the story?
The TSA points out that even if an airport decides to use a private firm for security, the screeners still must follow TSA guidelines. That would include using the full body scanners if they are installed at the airport.
 
So, the TSA have finally jumped the shark.

Next they can move to actually focusing on threats a la Israli style airport security.
 
Holy smokes I have some good news for a change-

Sanford Airport to opt out of TSA screening


U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

I'm glad to see I'm not the only American who demands respect and dignity.
No, you don't have good news. What you've got is essentially disinformation. If they go with a private company, the identical procedures will be followed.

Further, you've latched onto something as an incremental good while accepting the underlying premise. But that's the problem to address, not to avoid. And it's the basic unconstitutionality of the latest level of invasive search or pornoscan and gropefest.
 

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