Shooter at DC Shipyard

Dorian Gray said:
Wait... let me get this straight.... There were no good guys with guns at a Naval shipyard? If only that place had had some armed teachers, nothing bad would have happened!
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WildCat said:
These shooters are guaranteed free rein until police show up on scene. Meanwhile people who may have a concealed carry permit, but are unarmed because of the 'gun free zone", are just as helpless as everyone else.

I guess no one on hand was skilled enough to talk the gunman out of it this time.
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Yes a stressful and dangerous situation can only be improved by having half trained amateurs running around shooting.
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Captain_Swoop said:
What's all the talk of a 'gun free zone'?
There was armed security on the site, he shot one of them for goodnerss sake then took his weapon and then obtained a rifle from a gun safe.

If this is happening at a military site with armed guards what is the point of giving teachers guns?

Having armed people on site doesn't seem to deter anything.

As for someone wit ha 'concealed carry' opening up on him, that's a recipe for a massacre.
There were reports that 3 shooters were involved, if there had been random people wandering round the building with their own weapons how many would have started shooting each other by mistake?
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I'm going with 'many' and a significantly higher death toll.
 
This crime started back when he shot up a car because he felt "mocked", and he apparently suffered basically no consequences.

If I had done that, I still wouldn't be able to purchase a gun.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
what would be good is if you proved that CCW holders are more likely to commit violent crimes than non-CCW holders.
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Why would I want to prove that? It wouldn't matter to me if they were definitely less likely to commit crimes. Merely owning a gun makes them a bad person in my opinion. Remember I consider the mere possession of a gun an irredeemable ethical and moral abomination.


And with that I think I will abstain from more gun control talk in this thread. In fact maybe such discussion would be better removed from this thread altogether and this one reserved for information on the shooting itself.
 
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One Skunk Todd said:
The Navy Museum is there too, so the Yard is accessible to the public.

http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/org8-1.htm
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Yep, been there many times. It's one of my favorite museums in the DC area. The public can't just stroll through the door, though -- you have to register at a guardhouse, fill out forms, and show a driver's license. Still would be absurdly easy to bring a weapon into the yard in your car, though, since it's not searched. I really hope this doesn't have permanent effects on the museum.
 
Tell you this from outside the USA the fact that a massacre can occur carried out by a gun nut on a miltary base looks like the sympton of a systemic breakdown and lack of any real control over weapons.
 
Dcdrac said:
Tell you this from outside the USA the fact that a massacre can occur carried out by a gun nut on a miltary base looks like the sympton of a systemic breakdown and lack of any real control over weapons.
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It looks like he only owned a pistol and a shotgun, and legally he shouldn't have had those, given his history. And he only bought the shotgun recently.

Why he still had a permit is beyond me.

I have more guns than that, and I'm not considered a "gun nut" by most people.
 
Why not put the entrance to the Museum outside the base and make it a seperate establishemnt?
 
NWO Sentryman said:
what would be good is if you proved that CCW holders are more likely to commit violent crimes than non-CCW holders.
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Don't worry. It wasn't the guns; it turns out it was violent computer games what turned him doolaly:

The Washington Navy Yard gunman Aaron Alexis played violent video games including Call of Duty for up to 16 hours at a time
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and friends believe it could have pushed him towards becoming a mass murderer.
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The darker side to Alexis's character saw him playing violent "zombie" video games in his room, sometimes from 12.30pm until 4.30am.
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The time to talk gun control is *before* you clean the blood off the pavement.

The time to talk gun control is before all the widows have been notified that their world has come crashing down.

The time to talk gun control is before children find out that Mommy isn't coming home.

The time to talk gun control is while the shooter is at large and while people are still dying in the ER.

Because if gun control is something you must wait to discuss until there have been no tragic shooting deaths, you would literally have to wait forever, because the bleeding, dying, and heartbreak never stops for even a moment.
 
Dcdrac said:
Tell you this from outside the USA the fact that a massacre can occur carried out by a gun nut on a miltary base looks like the sympton of a systemic breakdown and lack of any real control over weapons.
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Er, you do realise that the shooter had worked on the base, which meant this could be a case of "going postal" as opposed to being some random nut. So cut out the hysterics please, because we don't know the full facts yet.
 
BenBurch said:
The time to talk gun control is *before* you clean the blood off the pavement.

The time to talk gun control is before all the widows have been notified that their world has come crashing down.

The time to talk gun control is before children find out that Mommy isn't coming home.

The time to talk gun control is while the shooter is at large and while people are still dying in the ER.

Because if gun control is something you must wait to discuss until there have been no tragic shooting deaths, you would literally have to wait forever, because the bleeding, dying, and heartbreak never stops for even a moment.
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I don't recall any discussion of any gun control law that would have banned shotguns, or made them difficult to purchase.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Why not put the entrance to the Museum outside the base and make it a seperate establishemnt?
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The building that houses it is deep in the heart of the Navy Yard. It wouldn't be possible to have an entrance outside the base. Last time I was there, though, I heard rumors that the Navy was eyeing a new location closer to foot traffic outside the Yard, so they may end up moving the whole thing.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
As for someone wit ha 'concealed carry' opening up on him, that's a recipe for a massacre.
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I keep hearing doomsday predictions based upon a persons with a concealed firearms responding to workplace violence. Do you have any evidence that this is actually taking place? Legal concealed carry has been around for years with many people taking advantage of it. Where are the bloodbaths associated with it?

Ranb
 
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