Shooter at DC Shipyard

[Cylinder]

...let me get this straight... There were no good guys with guns at a Naval shipyard? If only that place had had some armed teachers, nothing bad would have happened!

Are we still kicking around that ridiculous meme? Wow.

First, even active service bases aren't teeming with armed service members. I blame television. This was an office complex. Feel free to test your little ridicule at the combat arms range of your choice.

Second, the argument isn't that armed security with appropriate training will necessarily prevent active shooter events but accelerate the shooter's timeline for suicide either self-inflicted or by security personnel. Accelerated timelines, it is hoped, will result in fewer fatalities.

Last, how did this active shooter die?

 

[angrysoba]

How can anyone call this a false flag operation?
Nobody even knows what happened, yet.

That doesn't matter to "Info"Wars.

 

[angrysoba]

No racism involved, I was talking about a particular set of terrorists. And I did no want to blame any particular country, since they were not sponsored by any government. So, my made up name was enough of a hint to get the response that the incident was identifiable.

Would I have chosen "Muslim" or "Arab", I would have been racist or um... religionist.

If you can find Ragheadistan on a map, I owe the residents an apology.

Errmmm...no, I think "raghead" is pretty well-accepted to be a racist term. "Muslim" and "Arab" are not racist terms, though the latter would clearly be inaccurate in the case of the Boston bombers. In fact, mentioning that you say "raghead" in place of "Muslim" or "Arab" only compounds the obvious racist connotations.

 

[Checkmite]

Nope, yet another mass shooting in a "gun free zone".

Can't these guys read the sign?

The site and building were patrolled by armed officers, one of who was wounded while engaging the shooter. You are misinformed.

 

[jj]

Alex Jones.

Indeed. He's the false flag, and is there to convince the rest of us to discount the idea of false flag, right?

 

[Dorian Gray]

Are we still kicking around that ridiculous meme? Wow.

First, even active service bases aren't teeming with armed service members. I blame television. This was an office complex. Feel free to test your little ridicule at the combat arms range of your choice.

No, the argument is that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun. Literally. That's literally the argument. I do agree that it's ridiculous, though. And here's your arms range: People got shot. A lot of people got shot. Your argument is invalid.

Second, the argument isn't that armed security with appropriate training will necessarily prevent active shooter events but accelerate the shooter's timeline for suicide either self-inflicted or by security personnel. Accelerated timelines, it is hoped, will result in fewer fatalities.

THAT is what's ridiculous. No one has ever said that but you. People are arguing that teachers should be armed. If a military base is not safe, then how is a school going to be safe?

Last, how did this active shooter die?

You mean, the active shooter who shot a crapload of other people with his guns? THAT active shooter?

Which brings up another argument gun nuts always make: that people will think twice if they believe someone else is armed. Well, this guy KNEW people in the area were armed, yet he did it anyway.

 

[Ryokan]

Where you're going wrong is that hundreds of millions of people wear "rags" on their "heads", but you're tarring them all with the same brush.

And the chances are, if you meet one of them, he isn't even Muslim.

And with raghead being common derogatory term for all Muslims, you shouldn't be surprised people suspect you of racism for using it. I'd say even just calling them Muslim would've been a lot, lot less offensive - that's what they were, after all.

 

[Travis]

Don't worry everyone: Free Republic is on the case!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3067328/posts?q=1&;page=1

There must be a mistake. Democrats went through great pains to make sure guns were not allowed there!

How can this even happen? How many attacks on our bases is it going to take before we wake up?

Yeah, like that attack just the other day in.....?

I am pissed! How does this happen after Fort Hood? We all know how! PC Obama rot!!

That's right. Obama ordered the Navy to hire psychos. That's just how Obama rolls.

Must be one of those crazy Unitarians, or maybe Atheists.

Um?

Of course Team Obama and his media division will use this as another gun grab opportunity.
Step 1: Cover up shooter's Islam ties
Step 2: Inform the dumb public that this is just another gun-toting, knuckle-dragging Conservative type.

I assume the possibility the shooter isn't a Muslim is just not considered.

The talking points being typed up for tonight's prime-time newscasts will read something like: "Another example of the results of freely available assault rifles, without background checks, at Texas gun shows..."

No, no. I am guessing it will be about the dead. We can turn this into another pointless debate on gun control next week.

An AR15 “assault weapon” was used? And I’m sure the suspect is probably a Tea Party member, driving an SUV with pro-life literature in the back, drinking a Big Gulp, while spraying aerosol cans into the air.

I smell new comic book super villain!

black male with a dark complexion ‘Better let shooter go free: ‘Sounds like another one of Barack Hussein’s sons.

Obama is now the dad of all black men? When did this happen?

If the shooter yelled, “Allahu Akhbar,” then it’s a case of workplace violence.

I wonder how anxious the Administration will be to tie this to Assad and give them a Casus Belli.

Late arrivals for the Million Muslim March, perhaps?

Of course. We all know only Muslim's ever go off their rocker.

3 shooters (at least) tall dark skinned with shaven headsReligion of Peace is my bet

I'm betting you lose money on bets a lot.

Thanks. So how many terror attacks uhhh...’workplace violence’ on US military bases under Obama’s watch does this make now?

Is the answer two? Does that mean something?

CONFIRMED, TWO SHOOTERS!!!The press and White House will be quick to assure us this is not terrorism.

Yes, we all know how Obama just loves to cover up terrorism. Like remember how he refused to even let the FBI investigate the Boston Marathon bombing?

Of course! After watching all of Stephen Couglin’s videos on Islamist terrorism just a few weekends ago, I am certain this will be Islamist jihadi’s in our own military doing this! They can’t even say Islamist or jihadi in our training manuals anymore for cryin out loud. This is what happens when a bunch of PC leftists run our levers of power. Pathetic!

A military is ineffective if vague and non useful terms are discouraged in training manuals?

One shooter was described as a “black male” — bet it’s blamed on “homegrown terrorism” (or...wait for it... Sarah Palin, or the tea party or George Bush) — the media will pull out every excuse possible.

Yeah, remember how the media pinned all those other terrorist incidents on Palin?

Since he’s a black male the media will pamper him and play down the story. I would suspect he’s some low wage civil service employee pissed off that he didn’t get promoted.
If not look for a “mentally handicapped” “war” veteran that came back from “war” and suffered with PTSD. Makes no difference that he could have been an office worker who last shot an M-16 in basic training. In the media’s mind, the military turned him into a trained killer and anyone this black vet kills because of his “mental problems” is justified. If we were white the media would immediately be calling for his hanging.

I'm beginning to wonder if the people at Free Republic get their news feeds from an alternate universe populated entirely with strawmen.

CNN reporter just said they have been instructed not to say anything about shooter’s description anymore. Whoa! That means 'Muslim' or black - right?

Or it could mean that they want CNN to stop spreading fragmented misinformation. But I guess thinking that makes me a PC Leftist.

Gosh, that religion of peace is sure peaceful and religious, huh?

Man they really want this Alexis guy to be a Muslim.

Isn't it about time this story became about something more important - like renewed demands for more gun control against those dangerous assault weapons which are so readily available to the unbalanced wacko or terrorists? I eagerly await Schmuck Schumer and Diane Feinswine (and many other Washington dignitaries) lining up at the nearest microphones, which I confidently predict will be before 4 PM and before the bodies of the victims are cold...

I confidently predict this person is a terrible predictor.

It means ME or African Muslim IMHO. PC protection for Islamists trumps all these days. It is getting our soldiers killed.

Exactly! The American people are getting sick of it too. I will guarantee this is Islamist or Islamist inspired terror attack.

And this is why we don't allow vigilante violence.

Benghazi witnesses?

Yeah, an elaborate terrorist attack was staged to eliminate witnesses to a huge non story.

Is it “jihad” or “justice for Travon” or both?

Oh definitely both. As those are clearly the only two possible motivations the shooter could have.

I wonder who creates the narrative in the first hours .... amazing how the media act like a school of fish or pack of lemmings

The narrative? Was it hatched from a volcano lair?

“Two more potential shooters”. White male, military uniform, last seen 8:45. Black male, 50 years of age, olive drab possible military style uniform”.

Funny, now that there’s at least one white guy potentially involved, it’s OK to mention this detail in the description of the perps

Um.....what?

Well here we go. The “crazy vet syndrome”. For all veterans out there, pray these lunatic(s) never served in the military.

My step dad served in Vietnam....I'm thinking he's safe from whatever this person imagines will happen.

False flag operation for the purpose of identifying ex-military as not being worthy to have firearms!

Well of course banning firearms from ex military is the obvious immediate reaction...in bizarro world.

Hahahahaha....Fox New cut right into Obama's lies-and-more-lies-it's all Bush's fault-campaign speech just as he was warming up. Whoosh....he was gone with the wind, cut off at the knees....hooray!

Did they watch the same press Obama press conference as the rest of us? Or was this another feed from the alternate universe?

Agreed: the timing of this right after the gun grabbing dems lost big in CO is just too much to take as coincidence - especially when they were complaining their gun-ban efforts were being “chilled” by what the voters in CO did.

Well clearly the obvious reaction to a bunch of idiot voters in Colorado is to stage an attack on the Navy in DC. I mean who wouldn't see that coming?

Exactly!! Why didn’t the NSA see this coming? I will tell you why..they are only looking at Conservatives and ‘enemies’ of big government statism. Defund them! They have caught none of these threats!

Yes, I'm sure that was exactly what happened. Why conservatives can't even leave their homes these days without black helicopters following them.

 

[triforcharity]

There were no good guys with guns at a Naval shipyard?

Private firearms are not allowed on federal property, except for a few exceptions. Thanks for proving you're ignorant on gun laws.

If only that place had had some armed teachers, nothing bad would have happened!

Strawman. .

 

[WildCat]

The site and building were patrolled by armed officers, one of who was wounded while engaging the shooter. You are misinformed.

Has anyone ever said police can't be armed in a "gun free zone"?

These shooters are guaranteed free rein until police show up on scene. Meanwhile people who may have a concealed carry permit, but are unarmed because of the 'gun free zone", are just as helpless as everyone else.

I guess no one on hand was skilled enough to talk the gunman out of it this time.

 

[Travis]

Has anyone ever said police can't be armed in a "gun free zone"?

These shooters are guaranteed free rein until police show up on scene. Meanwhile people who may have a concealed carry permit, but are unarmed because of the 'gun free zone", are just as helpless as everyone else.
I guess no one on hand was skilled enough to talk the gunman out of it this time.

Good. That's how it should be.

 

[newyorkguy]

...

These shooters are guaranteed free rein until police show up on scene. Meanwhile people who may have a concealed carry permit, but are unarmed because of the 'gun free zone", are just as helpless as everyone else.

...

Yeah because normally that's how these things end. Someone with a concealed carry permit emerges from anonymity and saves the day.

Wildcat you're a regular Walter Mitty.

 

[DavidJames]

If it wasn't so tragic, I'd say it's funny to read guns nuts "arguments" in threads about people who get killed with guns.

 

[Bogative]

Good. That's how it should be.

I'm sure the unarmed people who were murdered today were really glad they were unarmed and defenseless as a lay there begging for their lives.

 

[332nd]

I'm sure the unarmed people who were murdered today were really glad they were unarmed and defenseless as a lay there begging for their lives.

Where did you hear of this happening?

 

[Travis]

I'm sure the unarmed people who were murdered today were really glad they were unarmed and defenseless as a lay there begging for their lives.

I'd much rather be in a mass shooting with everyone disarmed having to wait for police then having to deal with concealed weapon nutbags killing more people in their vain attempt to become John McClain from Die Hard.

 

[Bogative]

I'd much rather be in a mass shooting with everyone disarmed having to wait for police then having to deal with concealed weapon nutbags killing more people in their vain attempt to become John McClain from Die Hard.

I'm sure you would as long as you weren't one of the dozen that died before the police showed up.

 

[BStrong]

How can anyone call this a false flag operation?
Nobody even knows what happened, yet.

Why not avoid the rush and get on the winning team?

Local reports are that the shooter has two previous LE contacts involving firearms.

One negligent discharge inside his apartment while he was "cleaning his gun" and an incident where he shot out the tires on a vehicle in a "blackout" from rage.

News report just stated he brought a shotgun into the facility, broke into a gun safe on site and removed an assault rifle and continued his attack using that, and it is believed that he also took a weapon from a LEO who was wounded and down.

 

[Travis]

I'm sure you would as long as you weren't one of the dozen that died before the police showed up.

Well I don't know. I once had a drug related shootout in front of my house. I don't recall wishing for some vigilante yahoo to intervene then. Instead I called police then hunkered down waiting for them to arrive. Not once did I think "man if only some weirdo with a concealed weapon would show up to try and live out childish fantasies of action heroism."


But before I get too far into this maybe we could save this whole gun control debate for another day?

 

[Travis]

Why not avoid the rush and get on the winning team?

Local reports are that the shooter has two previous LE contacts involving firearms.

One negligent discharge inside his apartment while he was "cleaning his gun" and an incident where he shot out the tires on a vehicle in a "blackout" from rage.

News report just stated he brought a shotgun into the facility, broke into a gun safe on site and removed an assault rifle and continued his attack using that, and it is believed that he also took a weapon from a LEO who was wounded and down.

Aww crap. Now the nutters will see this as evidence that we shouldn't have weapons anywhere on base.