SF Weekly: "Who's Crazier - Birthers or Truthers?"

[Dr Adequate]

He also believes that Obama is the son of Frank Marshall Davis, an African American journalist and political activist who wrote for a newspaper in Hawaii in the 1940s and 1950s that was accused by the House Un-American Activities Committee as being a front for the Communist Party USA.

Which would, of course, make Obama a natural-born citizen wherever he was born.

 

[D'rok]

Score one for the birthers in the crazy contest. The US District Court smacked down a frivolous Taitz lawsuit today:

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wtvm/ConnieRhodesvsArmy.pdf

ETA: Some juicy quotes:

"Any middle school civics student would readily recognize the irony of abandoning fundamental principles upon which our country was founded in order to purportedly 'protect and preserve' those very principles."


"Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so."

 

[linusrichard]

Score one for the birthers in the crazy contest. The US District Court smacked down a frivolous Taitz lawsuit today:

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wtvm/ConnieRhodesvsArmy.pdf

ETA: Some juicy quotes:

"Any middle school civics student would readily recognize the irony of abandoning fundamental principles upon which our country was founded in order to purportedly 'protect and preserve' those very principles."


"Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so."

Very nice. I especially like the end of footnote 3. If there are any birthers in the House, they've put themselves into kind of a corner.

 

[Horatius]

Very nice. I especially like the end of footnote 3. If there are any birthers in the House, they've put themselves into kind of a corner.

I like footnote 5, "evidence", scare quotes and all. And the paragraph bridging pages 13 and 14 should be required reading for everyone who claims their BS should be taken seriously by the courts.

 

[D'rok]

I like how Taitz cited an AOL poll as an authority for her legal argument. For fail, that is pure win.

 

[portlandatheist]

Score one for the birthers in the crazy contest."

Hey, at least the birthers are willing to take their "evidence" to a court. I suppose that doesn't make them any less crazy, it just means they aren't as lazy as truthers.

 

[Travis]

I like how Taitz cited an AOL poll as an authority for her legal argument. For fail, that is pure win.

She also claims that Worldwide opinion is that Obama "slipped through the guardrails to become President" without substantiating the assertion in any way, not even citing some illegitimate online poll.

Her claim that the document (short form birth certificate) should be "assumed to be fraudulent" said almost all that you would need to know about her.

I thought their point that Congress approving Obama appointments was a de facto sign of their own opinion that Obama is legitimate was interesting.

 

[D'rok]

Her claim that the document (short form birth certificate) should be "assumed to be fraudulent" said almost all that you would need to know about her.

Assumption of guilt and reversal of the burden of proof. Always a winning legal strategy!

 

[Travis]

Assumption of guilt and reversal of the burden of proof. Always a winning legal strategy!

Especially since she also alleged that her faked Kenyan Birth Certificate should be assumed to be genuine just..........well.....because she wants you to.

 

[ktesibios]

But wait... there's more!

It seems that after publicly accusing the judge of treason, ORly went down to Georgia to file a motion for reconsideration, in which she basically neglected to address any of the issues cited in the judge's original order in favor of, like a proper PCT, simply re-re-regurgitating her talking points all over again.

Now Judge Clay, citing Yogi Berra "it was like deja vu all over again", has ordered her to show cause, within 14 days, why she should not be dinged with a $10,000 sanction for misconduct.

Those of us who like to observe the world around us and try to understand our observations might be tempted to infer two things:

1. Political diatribes and unsupported assertions are not exactly the currency of choice in the Federal court system.

2. Deliberately pissing off a Federal judge is a rather bad idea.

Residents of Planet X like Ms. Taitz are not likely to get this. I think we can expect to see a spectacular meltdown in the near future.

You can read her motion and Judge Clay's latest order here

 

[linusrichard]

Any lawyers with federal experience here? It was always my impression that, in the federal courts, an order to show cause was not quite "Why shouldn't I fine you $10,000?" but more like "Prepare to be fined $10,000."

 

[Brainster]

Two pages in and nobody's offered the obvious skeptic response?

False dichotomy.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Two pages in and nobody's offered the obvious skeptic response?

False dichotomy.

Yeah, but noone wants to Godwin the thread.

 

[Alt+F4]

Especially since she also alleged that her faked Kenyan Birth Certificate should be assumed to be genuine just..........well.....because she wants you to.

Exactly. Orly would like the world to operate like this: if you don't believe everything she says you're a treasonous Nazi who should be immediately hanged.

 

[tsig]

Here's a test for you: take a walk through the streets of the city where you live and ask people if they know who the Vice President is and if they can name him. Of course the more educated people and those who are concerned with politics as a hobby or occupation of some sort will know, but the average person on the street won't or just won't care who the Vice President is.

As far as my definition of prominent goes, I just don't think that a prominent position should be defined by fame factor alone. It seems to me there are many important jobs out there that aren't really well known that do have an affect on many people's lives. For example, say the director of the Center For Disease Control. Or the director of a city's power plant. And so on. Because these people aren't famous it wouldn't be considered a prominent position and therefore unimportant. I guess what I am trying to say is that there probably should be more factors to determine how to define what is a prominent position. But I don't know how to express that definition properly.

If you don't know what you want to say then it is going to be impossible to respond to you.

 

[tyr_13]

Hey, at least the birthers are willing to take their "evidence" to a court. I suppose that doesn't make them any less crazy, it just means they aren't as lazy as truthers.

No, it means that they are dumb enough to think they have a chance in court.

 

[McHrozni]

I'd say that twoofers win this one hands down.
Birthers need to believe that their president or one of his parents managed to fake a few government documents decades ago. That would require a few corrupt public officials somewhere, who might well die before this ever became an issue.
Certainly not something that would be outside of the realm of possibility to the extent all 9/11 twoof theories are, wouldn't you say?

McHrozni