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Sessions on the way out?

tyr_13 said:
How would Sessions know that he would have to recuse himself from a future investigation into wrongdoings by the Trump campaign?

There are two ways. Either he can see the future, or he knew there were wrongdoings by the campaign connected to him, or the reasonable appearance thereof.
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All you have to do is look what happened, it's still not fair to Trump. Sessions ought to do the honorable thing and resign. Have you ever seen an appointed position such as this take such a beating and not resign?
 
pgwenthold said:
I've heard Ted Cruz. To which my first response would be, why would he do it? I mean, how could he pledge loyalty and all that? And then I remember, these guys have no shame at all, and will gladly sell out their wife and father to gain power.
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I think you're missing an important element into this type of personality. While it's a human trait, the Republicans and conservatives in the US right now self-select towards it, so there are a higher percentage there than in the general population, in addition to it being more common in politicians that make it to that level anyway.

They're arrogant.

You need to have a certain level to get that far in the first place. Why would these people keep taking positions from a brazen and chronic liar who demands loyalty to himself but displays basically none to the point of being eager to throw even loyal lackeys under the bus for the dumbest reasons? They blame the people thrown under the bus. It won't happen to them because they're better at it or more valuable than those other guys. This is reflected in their overall ideology. They value 'self-reliance' and 'personal responsibility' and 'strength' (in scare quotes for the fact they don't actually identify these traits very well). Something bad happens to you? Try harder, to better, and get out of the way you loser. Even people who should know better think that, for example, if society breaks down they're going to do well even though if you had the knowledge to actually stand a decent chance at making it through you'd be well aware that no one is actually safe in situations like that. They're 'special' and the rules don't apply to them.

That is nowhere near the only consideration, but it is an important one to keep in mind when trying to model their behavior.
 
logger said:
All you have to do is look what happened, it's still not fair to Trump. Sessions ought to do the honorable thing and resign. Have you ever seen an appointed position such as this take such a beating and not resign?
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How is it not fair to Trump?
 
tyr_13 said:
I think you're missing an important element into this type of personality. While it's a human trait, the Republicans and conservatives in the US right now self-select towards it, so there are a higher percentage there than in the general population, in addition to it being more common in politicians that make it to that level anyway.

They're arrogant.

You need to have a certain level to get that far in the first place. Why would these people keep taking positions from a brazen and chronic liar who demands loyalty to himself but displays basically none to the point of being eager to throw even loyal lackeys under the bus for the dumbest reasons? They blame the people thrown under the bus. It won't happen to them because they're better at it or more valuable than those other guys. This is reflected in their overall ideology. They value 'self-reliance' and 'personal responsibility' and 'strength' (in scare quotes for the fact they don't actually identify these traits very well). Something bad happens to you? Try harder, to better, and get out of the way you loser. Even people who should know better think that, for example, if society breaks down they're going to do well even though if you had the knowledge to actually stand a decent chance at making it through you'd be well aware that no one is actually safe in situations like that. They're 'special' and the rules don't apply to them.

That is nowhere near the only consideration, but it is an important one to keep in mind when trying to model their behavior.
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Lol
You could say the exact same thing about Hillary and the democrat.
 
logger said:
Might It be good that Sessions let Trump know he was going to recuse himself?
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NO. AND WHY? Was the President anticipating there being reasons that he would be investigated? The AG may be nominated by POTUS, but his allegiance is to the law and the nation.
 
logger said:
All you have to do is look what happened, it's still not fair to Trump. Sessions ought to do the honourable thing and resign. Have you ever seen an appointed position such as this take such a beating and not resign?
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Oh bull. Are you really going to eat this crap sandwich the President is serving up? Not fair to the President? What is he, a child? The honorable thing is for the AG to do his job.
Just ignore the rantings of the lunatic in the White House and uphold the law.
 
I can't imagine Sessions openly attacking Trump. However, I can imagine Sessions quietly working with Republicans in Congress to protect his own reputation and political future if Trump were to fire him.

This probably belongs in the conspiracy section but I can also imagine that if Trump fires Sessions and then shuts down the Mueller investigation that Republicans mount an independent Senate investigation with Sessions as the head.

In any case, Trump continues to show his foolishness by working towards making enemies of everyone who won't be a complete and total sycophant.
 
logger said:
Yes, and I'm also saying it

That's the whole point, He was picked not knowing. That's why resigning is the honorable thing to do.
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Trump knew he'd recused himself this whole time. He could have fired him at any point before this and been cheered by Democrats for it. But only now, when it turns out he was lying to your face for months about Russian collusion being fake news and you swallowed every word of it, only now does Sessions's recusal matter, because it's apparently an actual recusal and not a false promise, leaving Trump with no way to dispose of Mueller should he get too close.
 
I see Sessions as joining a long line of Republican leaders who pretend to support Trump publicly to gain or retain political power, but who internally are seething with anger and resentment due to how Trump has treated them. Frankly I cannot think of many who Trump has not insulted, threatened, or belittled. And as always happens in these situations, these "supporters" are only waiting for the chance for revenge. Just wait until they scent "blood" and perceive Trump as weakened enough to undermine or openly attack. It will be gruesome.
 
Now he just has to find someone that is loyal to him, so loyal that they avoided any interactions with his campaign. That should be easy.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Now he just has to find someone that is loyal to him, so loyal that they avoided any interactions with his campaign. That should be easy.
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Plus that person has to be unquestionably loyal to Trump despite knowing that it will not be reciprocal and Trump will publically humiliate them, and/or dump them, whenever he wants. And they will be immediately placed in the no win situation of either blocking the special prosecutor's probe or angering Trump. Yep- it should be easy!
 
Giordano said:
I see Sessions as joining a long line of Republican leaders who pretend to support Trump publicly to gain or retain political power, but who internally are seething with anger and resentment due to how Trump has treated them. Frankly I cannot think of many who Trump has not insulted, threatened, or belittled. And as always happens in these situations, these "supporters" are only waiting for the chance for revenge. Just wait until they scent "blood" and perceive Trump as weakened enough to undermine or openly attack. It will be gruesome.
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I agree completely. I think the only true loyalty he has is maybe Ivanka. However, I wouldn't be surprised if she would feed him to the sharks if it would save her.

The $64 dollar question, at what point to Republicans bolt from him?
 
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