serial numbers?

[Anti-sophist]

if ALL of the parts matched flight 77 i would start leaning more towards flight 77 hitting the pentagon, and i dont mean the FBI releaseing a report saying "oh by the way the serial #'s matched".

Then what do you mean? Do you want the FBI to release 1,000,000 photos of serial numbers, and all the part-log books? Or did they fake that, too? And roughly how many parts need to be identified by serial numbers before you believe 50% that it was flight 77?

 

[alexg]

If the NTSB matches up part numbers why do they do this? Do you think they do it to ascertain what airplane was in the crash??? Or would it be to try to uncover the cause of the accident. Flight 77 was no accident they didn't need to determine what went wrong with the plane or what mistake the pilots made to cause the crash like in a normal NTSB investigation.

Yes, if flight 77 hitting the pentagon is a given then why bother to check the numbers, of course, but
from a ct's POV its obvious that no plane hit the pentagon. I know, only 12% I think in the H/S poll. So they demand to see the serial numbers to prove that those parts that were found weren't planted.



This demand may be part of a larger effort to get the 'raw' evidence released so they can get their hands on it and see for themselves.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Then what do you mean? Do you want the FBI to release 1,000,000 photos of serial numbers, and all the part-log books? Or did they fake that, too? And roughly how many parts need to be identified by serial numbers before you believe 50% that it was flight 77?

well there is just 3 pieces correct? landing gear / hub / turbine...shouldnt be to hard.. investigation? i dont know, the whole crime scene was tampered with since day one..

 

[alexg]

And to clarify the OP. The 'purported failure' refers not to their having checked the numbers and found them wrong but to their failure to either check at all or to releasing the info to the public, AFAIK.

 

[Anti-sophist]

well there is just 3 pieces correct? landing gear / hub / turbine...shouldnt be to hard.. investigation? i dont know, the whole crime scene was tampered with since day one..

It's funny that you can ask for more information and, in the same breath, already have your excuse to dismiss it once you find it.

 

[Ducky]

well there is just 3 pieces correct? landing gear / hub / turbine...shouldnt be to hard.. investigation? i dont know, the whole crime scene was tampered with since day one..

Hal Bidlack is a forum poster that doesn't post often here anymore, but he was working in the Pentagon when the plane hit, and he held pieces of the plane in his hands. There is more than just those three parts.

But the bigger issues is, what is the point? The DNA evidence clearly matches passengers of that flight. And before you add "well that's just small dna evidence that could be planted" I will add that Hal will confirm they were in fact full bodies or body parts. Also, there are literally thousands of serial numbers from literally hundreds of sub-contractors that go into a plane of that size. The idea that they are particularly catalogued to the extent wished by CTists is asenine. Not to mention parts replaced/serviced over the life of the plane as I mentioned earlier.

 

[Anti-sophist]

But the bigger issues is, what is the point?

It doesn't matter how much evidence there is. All that matters is that ALL the evidence that COULD be there ISN'T there. That proves it was an inside job.

 

[Ducky]

It doesn't matter how much evidence there is. All that matters is that ALL the evidence that COULD be there ISN'T there. That proves it was an inside job.

I'm assuming you're quoting the ct stance? Sorry it gets confusing who is taking what stance when it's not killtown gratuitously insulting everyone.


But yeah, that's not a logical stance to take when you consider the massive effort for aid and firefighting that happened. The fact that you can conclusively link this plane to that site without every piece of the plane or every single serial number does not mean cover up or inside job. The wealth of evidence certainly outweighs what cannot be produced.

 

[uk_dave]

Did they check the serial numbers on the parts of the cessna which flew into the apartments in ny recently.... ?

 

[jsiv]

Did they check the serial numbers on the parts of the cessna which flew into the apartments in ny recently.... ?

Show me video footage of this alleged plane.

How convenient that it had no flight recorders.

Rumor has it one of the tenants smelled cordite right before the "plane crash."

Did you know that the apartment building is owned by someone with ties to Israel?

 

[uk_dave]

I am SHOCKED!

 

[CurtC]

well there is just 3 pieces correct? landing gear / hub / turbine...shouldnt be to hard.. investigation? i dont know, the whole crime scene was tampered with since day one..

Just 3 pieces?!? There were shredded airplane parts scattered all over, inside and outside the Pentagon. It seems likely to me that some of these would have been checked against the log books, but unlikely that the investigators would bother to tell anyone that. After all, what kind of retards would question whether Flight 77 was the actual one that crashed there?

And even if they had, that would satisfy you? DNA from the people on the plane doesn't satisfy you, so why would serial numbers?

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Just 3 pieces?!? There were shredded airplane parts scattered all over, inside and outside the Pentagon. It seems likely to me that some of these would have been checked against the log books, but unlikely that the investigators would bother to tell anyone that. After all, what kind of retards would question whether Flight 77 was the actual one that crashed there?

And even if they had, that would satisfy you? DNA from the people on the plane doesn't satisfy you, so why would serial numbers?

im a skeptic, and i dont buy it, doesnt make me insane.

 

[Hellbound]

matching up serial numbers are rediculous we all saw the planes hit right?

thats one way of looking at it, im not a big CSI guy, but i would imagine one of the first thing you would do is identify what craft impacted where...im sure when a car is crashed and burned they take steps to identify the car, so in a court of law they can say without a shadow of a doubt...YES THIS IS THE CAR...not, we saw it crash so yes this is the car, we dont need to varify that..

If they had dozens of video tapes of the accident, clearly showing the car impacting, I don't believe there'd be much effort (if any) at matching serial numbers.

And what you watch on CSI is not reflective of real crime labs.

 

[DavidJames]

im a skeptic, and i dont buy it, doesnt make me insane.

This was not a random event where they happened upon a plane crash without a clue.

They were tracking the plane. They had a C130 in the area for eye witnesses. They found AA77 parts at the scene.

Seriously, wake up, life is not CSI or V for Vendetta or the Matrix.

 

[brettDbass]

Many parts arent serialized(such as fasteners, light bulbs, electrical connectors, insulation blankets, carpet, coffee pots, etc..) and are deemed "free issue" or "throw away". Most anything under $500 is considered throw away and isnt tracked even if its serialized.

[anecdote]
Correct indeed.
I used to make nuts and bolts for Boeing and Rolls Royce and nothing that company produced was ever serialised.

[/anecdote]

 

[Lothian]

im a skeptic, and i dont buy it, doesnt make me insane.

Quite right. You 'not buying it' is a by-product of being insane not the cause.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Quite right. You 'not buying it' is a by-product of being insane not the cause.

oh, ok, by all means, i am now legally insane, free to comit any crime, with a get out of jail free card..

ive taken a few mental ivaluations while in the military, i guess something must have snapped, now im just a loose cannon, on a skeptic spree..

 

[Lothian]

oh, ok, by all means, i am now legally insane, free to comit any crime, with a get out of jail free card..

ive taken a few mental ivaluations while in the military, i guess something must have snapped, now im just a loose cannon, on a skeptic spree..

I think to be legally insane you might need a bit more than my opinion but admitting you have a problem is the first step to a solution. Don’t underestimate the progress you have made by taking that first step.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

I think to be legally insane you might need a bit more than my opinion but admitting you have a problem is the first step to a solution. Don’t underestimate the progress you have made by taking that first step.

lol, yep, and get this, i think OJ killed his wife, even though he was found innocent....i must be a total loon..