Send in the tanks! (Chavez)

[Childlike Empress]

Indeed, that is funny: it says "Future Present Foundation". Bit of a reading comprehension problem you've got there, Empress.

It's still a funny name, but i admit: I read it twice, copy-and-pasted it, marked it red and thought, until i read my own submitted post with the name marked in red staring at me, that it really reads "Future President Foundation"! Is that confirmation bias at work? Scary.

Gee, i so looked forward to video of the "Aló Presidente" debate, but the show was cancelled. First the group refused to debate the socialist economists, but agreed to send Vargas Llosa to debate Chavez one on one. Then Vargas Llosa didn't show up.

Here's coverage of the affair by peruvian TV (in spanish).

 

[dudalb]

If CHavex were to arrest all the opposition leaders today, and set up a full scale Gulag, his fans here would still defend him.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Evidence?

 

[funk de fino]

Evidence?

They defend him sending in the tanks and troops to service companies and appropriating their equipment.

And again with the biased sites..........

 

[funk de fino]

Will they also defend the new paper going before the National Assembly to control cable TV?

 

[DC]

Will they also defend the new paper going before the National Assembly to control cable TV?

Who's Cable network is it?
who payed to build it and who pays maintenance?

 

[funk de fino]

Who's Cable network is it?
who payed to build it and who pays maintenance?

Welcome back. Remember and behave yourself this time.

You think govt should decide what people watch regardless of the views of those people or that they have paid for it?

Govt censorship and media control is OK in your books?

Now that you are here will you return to the other thread where I supplied you with the "evidence" and sources you wanted? Or just remain a hypocrite?

Have a read of this.

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=31468

 

[DC]

Welcome back. Remember and behave yourself this time.

You think govt should decide what people watch regardless of the views of those people or that they have paid for it?

Govt censorship and media control is OK in your books?

Now that you are here will you return to the other thread where I supplied you with the "evidence" and sources you wanted? Or just remain a hypocrite?

Have a read of this.

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=31468

who are you to tell me to behave?
arrogant ....

i didnt say censorship is ok.

you got more details about the paper you talk about? what does it say?
got an english transaltion of it? i dont know the paper.

 

[funk de fino]

who are you to tell me to behave?
arrogant ....

I was being tongue in cheek and missed a smiley. I did however welcome you back. Nice of you to start with the insults so early

i didnt say censorship is ok.

What were you trying to say?

you got more details about the paper you talk about? what does it say?
got an english transaltion of it? i dont know the paper.

You expect me to get stuff for you again after you ran away the last time I did it? You are sorely mistaken.

I believe the paper is yet to come before the NA. Thats why I said it was a new paper. Does your bias site not have anything on it?

 

[DC]

I was being tongue in cheek and missed a smiley. I did however welcome you back. Nice of you to start with the insults so early



What were you trying to say?



You expect me to get stuff for you again after you ran away the last time I did it? You are sorely mistaken.

I believe the paper is yet to come before the NA. Thats why I said it was a new paper. Does your bias site not have anything on it?

so you rant about something you didnt read, nor is it avaible.

okey, have fun ranting.

ones the paper is public, post it, and maybe i join your rant. maybe not.

 

[Praktik]

I bet if the anti-chavez protesters started eating puppies and advocating forced rape of socialists that all the anti-chavez protester fans here would defend them.

 

[funk de fino]

so you rant about something you didnt read, nor is it avaible.

okey, have fun ranting.

ones the paper is public, post it, and maybe i join your rant. maybe not.

I wasnt ranting, I asked a question. Why must you lie again?

Why dont you go back to the thread where you asked for stuff then when I gave you it you just ignored it and ran away? Theres plenty to discuss there.

Or are you scared to admit I was correct?

i didnt say censorship is ok.

What were you trying to say

 

[funk de fino]

I bet if the anti-chavez protesters started eating puppies and advocating forced rape of socialists that all the anti-chavez protester fans here would defend them.

Not too good at the gambling thing here are you?

 

[DC]

I wasnt ranting, I asked a question. Why must you lie again?

Why dont you go back to the thread where you asked for stuff then when I gave you it you just ignored it and ran away? Theres plenty to discuss there.

Or are you scared to admit I was correct?

yeah i runned away into a long weekend but hey.

yes you did indeed provide a link to a english translation. i wasnt aware of it, and will use it in future to avoid to offend you with that pro chavez website.

thanks you, next time provide the links faster, and dont let me demand it over and over again

and about the other topic, nothing left to discuss, i have made up my oppinion, in the same weekend i "runned away" from your unbiased translation. i had a lengthy debate with a hardcore socialist. and we didnt agree.
but here because it is you, i just love to express my support for Chavez his Nationalisation of service companys, while in reality i see no right for Nationalisation.

btw, you claimed he send in tanks, didnt read about that, you got a link to it?

 

[DC]

Not too good at the gambling thing here are you?

it is an excellent post. it shows the attitude of some people here.

while i for example have already showed dislike on some of his deeds, that is overlooked and it is still claimed i would defend everything he does.

to debate chavez here on JREF is a joke, there are just a very very few people that are really interested in Venezuela and its people, the rest just loves to rant against the evil socialist.

 

[funk de fino]

it is an excellent post. it shows the attitude of some people here.

while i for example have already showed dislike on some of his deeds, that is overlooked and it is still claimed i would defend everything he does.

to debate chavez here on JREF is a joke, there are just a very very few people that are really interested in Venezuela and its people, the rest just loves to rant against the evil socialist.

No, its a silly post. I rant against Chavez not because I am an american, or a capitalist, or a republican, or anti socialist, but because what he is doing is wrong in my opinion and in the opinions of my friends and colleagues who have first hand experience of it. I can also ssee it only getting worse. I rant here sometimes because no matter what he does it is defended even when it is indefensible and if done elsewhere would be roundly condemned by the very same people who bask in his glory. Do I agree with a lot of the biased anti Chavez reporting from the US? No, I do not. Do I look further afield at other sources? yes I do. There is no smoke without fire and it is not only the US media who oppose most of what he does.

My politics are deemed to be left wing in this country, the party I support are seen to be left wing.

You did however miss the whole point about the Constitution. It did not matter to me that you quoted it, it was that you went to the same old site which openly prints material from people and sites who admit they are biased. Yet you rubbish my sources if I use the BBC and Al Jazeera?

So, dont badger me for sources in future if you are not willing to acknowledge when I get them or at least do a simple search yourself. It was not only that claim I backed up, and you have not even mentioned the other one.

 

[funk de fino]

:btw, you claimed he send in tanks, didnt read about that, you got a link to it?

Is a tank a military vehicle?

 

[DC]

Is a tank a military vehicle?

are all military vehicles tanks?

 

[DC]

No, its a silly post. I rant against Chavez not because I am an american, or a capitalist, or a republican, or anti socialist, but because what he is doing is wrong in my opinion and in the opinions of my friends and colleagues who have first hand experience of it. I can also ssee it only getting worse. I rant here sometimes because no matter what he does it is defended even when it is indefensible and if done elsewhere would be roundly condemned by the very same people who bask in his glory. Do I agree with a lot of the biased anti Chavez reporting from the US? No, I do not. Do I look further afield at other sources? yes I do. There is no smoke without fire and it is not only the US media who oppose most of what he does.

My politics are deemed to be left wing in this country, the party I support are seen to be left wing.

You did however miss the whole point about the Constitution. It did not matter to me that you quoted it, it was that you went to the same old site which openly prints material from people and sites who admit they are biased. Yet you rubbish my sources if I use the BBC and Al Jazeera?

So, dont badger me for sources in future if you are not willing to acknowledge when I get them or at least do a simple search yourself. It was not only that claim I backed up, and you have not even mentioned the other one.

i dont know what your problem is, even before i quted the translation of the constitution from the venezuelaanalysis website, we had already a debate about them, and i agreed that they are biased, pro Chavez biased.
where else do you find good news from Venezuela? where do you find articles about improvements? sure not on aljazeera, and for this kind of info, it is very good. but i dont use it as only source. but you would like me to not read their POV at all.

 

[Praktik]

yeah i runned away into a long weekend but hey.

Ahh this makes sense now. Just looked it up on wikipedia: "Whit Monday" or "pentecost monday", right?

Was wondering why my german record supplier took an extra day to send out my weekend order of tuneage..