Send in the tanks! (Chavez)

[funk de fino]

yes all Banks should be Nationalised.

really, so the govt would control who had access to credit?

Sure out of a capitalistic POV he is harming the oil industrie.

No, I am not a capitalist. It is from a well being for his country pint of view. he needs the oil money. He is ruining the oil industry in Venezuela. I work in the oil industry. I know what I am talking about.

Norway is an bright example for many many things for alot countrys i would say.

Glad we agree on something.

Btw, there are also other things in the Venezuelan industrie. But oil is the one bussines that is going true our press.
Also his USA bashing, those parts of his speaches are printed in all the newspapers, but the other parts are not interesting when he talks about national problems etc. Didnt your Venezuelan friends tell you that?

Not just his speeches his actions designed to goad and prod the US. Who cares what the US think of him? He is wasting time and eenergy and resources trying to anny the US when he has more pressing issues at home.

So the accusations of RCTV beeing part of the coup is false?
are you sure?

Did I say Part? Read it again.

Do you also have troubles with Obamas friends those that is said to be terrorists?

I am not american, try again.

 

[funk de fino]

What points did the Venezuelan not like in the new costitution?

he could have asked them.

not the same thing, he should change the things that didnt get supported. he should try to find a compromise.

He lied.

I dont know. one can get that impression when i read your Chavez bashing

Poor logic skills. If I bash Chavez it means I support the opposition? Try harder pal.

So according to Venezuelan law he did get punished already?

2 years for an illegal coup which cost the lives of many venezuelans. Thats not accountability in my book.

 

[funk de fino]

that is pretty dishonest.

What is? saying you will listen to the will of the people and that you will standdown at the end of your term and then performing a complete U turn on it?

Why are the rest of the parts from that bill not all being done again seperately? Why this one in particular?

they voted against the constitution, now he will ask his people about one point in that constitution, about the limited terms one can run.

see above

Thats the problem with such a huge package to vote for or against. What points was it that let him loose that vote? for you it seems to be only one point, the removing of limited terms one can run.

He should have tried to find out.

 

[funk de fino]

my feeling about him did not change abit.

Even now you know about the list and what it was used for? Do you know there was another list?

how many people do you know in Venezuela? They seem to be part of a minority.

I know two familes in Venezuela, one who has fled completely, and two who still have family there. They are working class.

About 3.5 million signed the petition and were blacklisted. Some of the people I know signed it and some of them will never vote against him again because of it. Is this fair?

Im not to lazy, i just wondered how much you actually infomed yourself about it. And it is clear. you did not at all.

I seem to know than you about this topic.

btw, oc i knew about the tascon list, a few months ago in our last Chavez debate it was brought up already.

Of course you did. You just forgot right?

 

[JihadJane]

You are the one who has Dictator in your username.

It is a little silly to use people's usernames against them. After all, you have "funk" in yours yet clearly haven't got the funk.

 

[funk de fino]

It is a little silly to use people's usernames against them. After all, you have "funk" in yours yet clearly haven't got the funk.

You would seem to have the Jane though.

What was it you posted earlier about personalising things? Hypocrite much?

 

[DC]

really, so the govt would control who had access to credit?

yes

No, I am not a capitalist. It is from a well being for his country pint of view. he needs the oil money. He is ruining the oil industry in Venezuela. I work in the oil industry. I know what I am talking about.

yeah i know, expert on FDR's and Oil industry.
Lower Oild production, means they will still have more oil when others run out of it? so in some decades they can sell what they do not produce now and sell it for a much higher price.
just selling all of it now is not smart.

Glad we agree on something.

Not just his speeches his actions designed to goad and prod the US. Who cares what the US think of him? He is wasting time and eenergy and resources trying to anny the US when he has more pressing issues at home.

politics on international level is very often a waste of time and energy.
Its not like the majority of our politicans do anything better in that regard

Did I say Part? Read it again.

Do you know about the other reason why the licence was not renewed?

I am not american, try again.

so you are venezuelan?

 

[DC]

he could have asked them.



He lied.



Poor logic skills. If I bash Chavez it means I support the opposition? Try harder pal.



2 years for an illegal coup which cost the lives of many venezuelans. Thats not accountability in my book.

a few posts ago you was very uppset that Chavez will ask the people about removing the term limit.........

but indeed in Venezuela it seems people doing coups are not punished hard. one is presidente and the other one is a main political figure in the opposition.
in both coups innocent people died.

 

[DC]

Even now you know about the list and what it was used for? Do you know there was another list?



I know two familes in Venezuela, one who has fled completely, and two who still have family there. They are working class.

About 3.5 million signed the petition and were blacklisted. Some of the people I know signed it and some of them will never vote against him again because of it. Is this fair?



I seem to know than you about this topic.



Of course you did. You just forgot right?

aslong you dont bring up some details about the law or some examples, it is a clear sign that you know nada about that law and you just parrot something that you heard and you think is not OK.

bring up some examples where poor people got taken away theyr house and it was given to even more poor people.

I dont know of any such cases.
I know about other cases like the one example i brought up, which i find OK.
present some cases that you think are unfair handled.

when you indeed did read about it, you should not have troubles with it.

Just because you got told stories from anti Chavistas from Venezuela does not mean they are true or Objective or accurate. I guess as Antichavistas they are pretty biased

 

[DC]

actually the point about my username is his strongest point until now he prolly did not read the whole topic or he would not try to use it as one of his arguments.

 

[Tailgater]

So the Venezuelan Banks are all under Chavez Controll? or is this a new law?
Are the Banks in Venezuela pro Government?

And how come, that most that have a bussines and employes are against Chavez, but somehow they do discriminate those on that list? Why do they act pro Chavez but vote against Chavez?

and about Banks, i have no problem with Nationalised banks.
Now its like when they make profit they have a nice live. when they get into troubles, we will pay for theyr losses etc.

So Nationalize them.

Did you know that Chavez also took the Cement manufacturer from Mexico, cemex? My competitor Holcim did agree to sell theyr Venezuelan factory, so did others. Not sure what Nestle did, sell or did they got taken away the factory?

It's like arguing with yourself.

 

[Tailgater]

It is a little silly to use people's usernames against them. After all, you have "funk" in yours yet clearly haven't got the funk.

And you're clearly missing the Jihad....Jane.

 

[WildCat]

the last elections showed that this is also what the majority of Venezuelans want.

How can you say that when hundreds were kept off the ballot after the Chavez admin. declared them to be corrupt? It's easy to win elections when you can keep the most popular opposition candidates off the ballot.

 

[DC]

How can you say that when hundreds were kept off the ballot after the Chavez admin. declared them to be corrupt? It's easy to win elections when you can keep the most popular opposition candidates off the ballot.

who are those most popular opposition candidates?

btw, there where alot more candidates than just Obama and McCain.
But not even in the US media they got proper attention.

I think before the USa can point its fingers to Venezuelas Democracy the USA needs to overwork theyr corrupt system

 

[DC]

It's like arguing with yourself.

no its not.

I think banks should be Nationalised.
But they are not yet in Venezuela, but will be soon. and during the Tascon scandal the banks was not nationalised afaik.

 

[Darth Rotor]

no its not.

I think banks should be Nationalised.
But they are not yet in Venezuela, but will be soon. and during the Tascon scandal the banks was not nationalised afaik.

I am puzzling over a Swiss perspective on nationalized Venezuelan banks. Are the banks nationalized in your native land? If not, why would you advocate that in a foreign land?

Confusing, you are, in your position.

(For whatever reason, I understand that you are Swiss. If not, sorry about the misidentification.)

 

[Tailgater]

no its not.

I think banks should be Nationalised.
But they are not yet in Venezuela, but will be soon. and during the Tascon scandal the banks was not nationalised afaik.

You understand that such a list existed, but not yet with the banks. You know that Chavez uses such tactics. If the bank knows they are on the road to being nationalized, it is in their best interest to comply now. You are in favor of the banks being nationalized. So, you are in favor of him using such lists at the banks.....in the argument with yourself, because you said using such a list would be wrong.

 

[DC]

I am puzzling over a Swiss perspective on nationalized Venezuelan banks. Are the banks nationalized in your native land? If not, why would you advocate that in a foreign land?

Confusing, you are, in your position.

(For whatever reason, I understand that you are Swiss. If not, sorry about the misidentification.)

Yes i am swiss.
Did you ever see me post anything good about swiss Banks?
i hate our greedy banks. they cry for our tax money to help them out, but still they pay billions of Boni to the managment.

also i am against the privatisation of our postal service, since it is privat corp, it sucks like hell. service went down. costs went up.

 

[Tailgater]

who are those most popular opposition candidates?

btw, there where alot more candidates than just Obama and McCain.
But not even in the US media they got proper attention.

I think before the USa can point its fingers to Venezuelas Democracy the USA needs to overwork theyr corrupt system

Probably Libertarian or Green. You also have the opposition within each party that is weeded out through primary elections. Most of them recieved alot of media attention. You would have to be brain dead in the US or live in Sweden not to not know most of the candidates, at least, the candidates that matter. Candidates that run for racists, 911 truth, make Texas independant, and "we all need to go back to living like the Indians" (you get the idea) are jokes and not worthy of media attention. As much as you get a woody for corrupt Americans, your out-of-bounds on this one. The two major parties cover almost all issues in the US in a wide spectrum. The primaries decide, in general, the two points Americans fall in that spectrum. The election decides which point is favored by the majority, and despite your crying about corruption, no amount of media coverage will EVER get Ralph Nader or Paris Hilton elected.

 

[WildCat]

who are those most popular opposition candidates?

btw, there where alot more candidates than just Obama and McCain.
But not even in the US media they got proper attention.

I think before the USa can point its fingers to Venezuelas Democracy the USA needs to overwork theyr corrupt system

If you want to talk about that start a new thread.

But it's obvious you are trying to change the subject because you cannot defend Chavez honestly.