Merged Senator Leahy calls for "Truth Commission"

The problem is making this not look as if it is pure partisan payback.
Hey, Leahy had a great cameo in "The Dark Knight" (he TOLD OFF THE JOKER) I am not sure this is such a good idea. I particularly have problems with the "Shopping List" aspects of it.
 
Oh my goodness, just what everyone was waiting for - a partisan witch hunt!

Although the truthers would salivate over this one.
 
That was Leahy????????????????

Cool!!!!!!

Leahy is a huge Batman fan.
WHen DC brought out a deluxe hardcover edition of the first 4 issues of "Batman" comics from 1939-40, Leahy wrote the introduction.
He also did a cameo in "Batman and Robin"( a film, btw, I hated, along with everybody else). He is at the party that Poison Ivy clashes.
 
Exaclty. I would not mind a nonpartisan review of what happened with the lead up to Iraq and the aftermath...it smells of incompetence...but that is not what we will get. We would get a partisan witchunt.
 
Exaclty. I would not mind a nonpartisan review of what happened with the lead up to Iraq and the aftermath...it smells of incompetence...but that is not what we will get. We would get a partisan witchunt.

How can the invasion of another country be attributed to incompetence? When a nation decides to invade another, this is a purposeful, not an accidental event. The US invasion of Iraq was desired and planned years before.

However, a "partisan witch-hunt" can be effective if it leads us to discover things that we would not have known otherwise. For instance, many people claimed that the Republicans were engaged in a "partisan witch-hunt" against Bill Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky incident. This might have been the case, but when Bill Clinton said, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky" it was merely a he-said she-said at that point. It was only the evidence that the blue dress provided that was able to end the speculation and to show that Clinton did indeed lie under oath and to the American people. This Republican "partisan witch-hunt" brought out the truth. If the Democrats had their way this issue might still be unresolved. Of course, the Democrats not wanting an investigation was also probably motivated by partisan interests, as well.

So it would be nice if we did have a Democratic "partisan witch-hunt" into the lies, crimes and deceit of the Bush Administration.

In August of 2002 Cheney stated, "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

What evidence was this based on? He is not only certain that he is amassing WMD but also Saddam's reasons for doing so. This statement by Cheney is similar to the one made by Clinton during the Lewinsky affair, a lie with the expressed purpose to deceive a nation. If Clinton's petty crime(perjury) can be investigated, then the Bush Administration should also be investigated for their crimes(lies leading to mass murder).

It seems strange that so many people want to attribute Bush Administration lies to "incompetence." Were Clinton's lies also due to "incompetence"?

Remember, "Never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by malice."
 
While I don't like the name "Truth" in the fact that it may be interpreted connotation wise as being pro 9/11 Truth, I believe that an investigation to dive into the depths of the misconduct carried out by our previous administration is essential.

In the past eight years, some of the things the last Administration has done is simply out of this world. The government locking people up indefinitely without right to counsel (USA PATRIOT Act), the government making it legal to brutally torture people (USA PATRIOT Act), and even abducting people to countries where torture is legal (Extraordinary Rendition), even giving itself the authority should it choose the authority to do so (detain people indefinetly without right to counsel with allowance of brutal, life-threatening torture) to American citizens (Military Commissions Act of 2006), lying to it's own people and Congress to trick the people and Congress into signing off on a pre-emptive war (A violation of international law), massive NSA Warrantless Wiretapping escapade (a felony), and who knows what else?

I just hope such an investigation ends up preventing such misconduct from happening again, and not being used by our current and future administrations as a blueprint to do all that this administration did and more without getting caught the next time around.

INRM
 
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"Angler" by Bart Gelman (sp) has a lot of info about Cheneys lies to Congress. It really is too bad that it would look witch hunt-ish. I would love to see Cheney,Carl Rove,and maybe Rumsfeld squirming under some very bright lights.
 
Looks like some JREFs are taking a deep drink from the left-wing kook fringe kool-aid cup.

Its partisan witch hunts by frothing at the mouth hysterical Bush haters until I hear we are going to investigate Bill Clinton for war crimes in Bosnia.

I won't hold my breath for support of that one.
 
Oh, for Christ's sake--will you people stop forcing me to side with a truther? Tana is right; the deceptions that got us into Iraq are a matter of public record, as are countless wiretapping abuses and vast human rights violations. Did you all, like, switch sides when Obama got elected or something? If finding the people responsible for this fiasco and preventing them from doing any more damage is a "partisan witch-hunt," than by all means, pass me a torch!
 
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Oh, for Christ's sake--will you people stop forcing me to side with a truther? Tana is right; the deceptions that got us into Iraq are a matter of public record, as are countless wiretapping abuses and vast human rights violations. Did you all, like, switch sides when Obama got elected or something? If finding the people responsible for this fiasco and preventing them from doing any more damage is a "partisan witch-hunt," than by all means, pass me a torch!

Here you go- *hands torch*

Lock and load, baby. Let's do this!
 
Looks like some JREFs are taking a deep drink from the left-wing kook fringe kool-aid cup.

Its partisan witch hunts by frothing at the mouth hysterical Bush haters until I hear we are going to investigate Bill Clinton for war crimes in Bosnia.

I won't hold my breath for support of that one.

Any and all your posts on this topic refuse to admit the possibility that people who disagree with you can do so on an intellectually sound basis: your response to cogent arguments for an investigation directly above your own is a casual dismissal and intellectually cowardly.

People can support the idea that the Bush administration committed crimes worthy of investigation without being "loony lefties" or whatever other disparaging term you use to short-circuit discussion and place yourself on a pedestal of "not" drinking "kool-aid".

You can likely do a lot better than whipping out the easy epithets, don't you think?

Here's a challenge: you're entirely welcome to disagree with my posts and the posts of others on this topic, the challenge to you is - can you do so coherently, without using the terms "left-wing", "kool-aid" and "kook"? Can you do so with respect for the individual who holds an opposing view?

Or has it become a habit you can't kick - to cast your opponents in the most unfavourable/disrespectful light possible?
 
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Any and all your posts on this topic refuse to admit the possibility that people who disagree with you can do so on an intellectually sound basis: your response to cogent arguments for an investigation directly above your own is a casual dismissal and intellectually cowardly.

No, your hysterical bias and need to hate and blame George Bush for something along with the refusal to admit that you have no evidence nor reason to believe this sort of lunatic fringe insanity except that you are a partisan hack means that you have no argument here. Nice try. Screaming GEORGE BUSH WAR CRIMES because you can't remove your partisan colored glasses won't make it anymore real, and your witch hunt will never come to fruition because while Obama fostered your hatred to get elected, he knows there is nothing of substance there and it would backfire on him.

Were there even a remote possibility that any of the contrived allegations were true, Obama would capitalize on it instantly. He knows there is a direct relation to the amount of Bush hatred he can stir up and his own popularity - he used it to get elected. If he thought he could distract the population by putting on a political circus and stirring up your kind of hatred for Bush, it would already be underway. But he knows the facts - there is nothing there.

People can support the idea that the Bush administration committed crimes worthy of investigation without being "loony lefties" or whatever other disparaging term you use to short-circuit discussion and place yourself on a pedestal of "not" drinking "kool-aid".

The truth hurts, and its good to see it hurts you so bad. When you are just as hysterical about investigating Bill Clinton for war crimes in Bosnia, then maybe I can take you seriously. Until then, you continue to prove that you have nothing to offer but left-wing fringe propaganda.

You can likely do a lot better than whipping out the easy epithets, don't you think?

Actually thats all you are doing - but hey, it lets me know I'm on to something when you get this enraged :)

Here's a challenge: you're entirely welcome to disagree with my posts and the posts of others on this topic, the challenge to you is - can you do so coherently, without using the terms "left-wing", "kool-aid" and "kook"? Can you do so with respect for the individual who holds an opposing view?

You have shown you are a left-wing lunatic - if you don't want the label, don't act like one.

Or has it become a habit you can't kick - to cast your opponents in the most unfavourable/disrespectful light possible?

Yes it seems like its something you can't stop yourself from doing. As soon as someone points out the propaganda you are spreading, you fly of the handle and start foaming at the mouth over it.

Creating a political circus to satisfy your partisan needs to turn someone into a scape goat is always stupid. I'll consider you as something other than a partisan hack when you start screaming about investigating Barack Obama for war crimes during the recent Israel/Palestine conflict and Bill Clinton for war crimes in Bosnia. Of course, then you'd just be a truther - but frankly I'm more likely to listen to truthers by a fraction of a inch than I am lunatic left-wingers or right-wingers.
 
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whatever dude, welcome to "informal ignore"

I'll welcome your posts on other topics but its not worth my time to debate with someone who refuses to give me a minimum of respect.

"hysterical" "lunatic", did you really need to bust that out?

Challenge results: EPIC FAIL
 
whatever dude, welcome to "informal ignore"

I'll welcome your posts on other topics but its not worth my time to debate with someone who refuses to give me a minimum of respect.

"hysterical" "lunatic", did you really need to bust that out?

Challenge results: EPIC FAIL

I believe insulting me because I don't buy into Bush hatred hysteria is a epic failure, actually.

If you want to slap yourself on the back for your rage and hatred of Bush do it in another forum - this is the conspiracy forum. If I wanted to deal with Bush derangement syndrome sufferers I would post on the political forum. I don't.

I like your conspiracy posts, but you've turned an otherwise comical look at Truther derangement into a hate bush thread. This isn't the place for it.
 
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So it would be nice if we did have a Democratic "partisan witch-hunt" into the lies, crimes and deceit of the Bush Administration.

Why bother? You've already convicted them. What would an investigation prove that you don't already know. Shouldn't you be asking for the sentencing instead?
 
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It's not about proving that something happened; it's about finding out exactly who is responsible, exposing them to the public, and at least forcing them to make restitution. Knowing that somebody has been murdered, investigating which of hundreds of possible suspects did it, and securing a conviction in court are three very different things.
 
It's not about proving that something happened; it's about finding out exactly who is responsible, exposing them to the public, and at least forcing them to make restitution. Knowing that somebody has been murdered, investigating which of hundreds of possible suspects did it, and securing a conviction in court are three very different things.
Finding a "scapegoat" perhaps. 9/11 (as example) was more about a failure of policies than that of a person.
 
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