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Merged Senate Report on CIA Torture Program

Were I in charge I'd have the CIA disbanded and those in authority jailed or quietly executed. That agency is more of a liability than an asset, and has gotten the nation in more trouble than it has resolved. I'd say our own agencies are a bigger threat to the US than most of our enemies are.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
The near certainty that I myself would crack under such pressure and sing like a bird. I have a high tolerance to pain, and am pretty tough. But combined water boarding, sleep deprivation, painful postures, constant interrogation, there's not a single bit of information I could withhold.
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And imagine all the information you would manufacture just to tell your torturers what they wanted to hear.

Wait... I think I might have found a flaw in this otherwise perfect system of interrogation...
 
Monketey Ghost said:
Myself, I'm inclined to believe that harsh interrogations produced names and made clear relationships.
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Did you even bother to read the article?
Officials said millions of records make clear that the CIA’s ability to obtain the most valuable intelligence against al-Qaeda — including tips that led to the killing of Osama bin Laden in 2011 — had little, if anything, to do with “enhanced interrogation techniques.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...75a82a-b8dd-11e3-96ae-f2c36d2b1245_story.html
 
johnny karate said:
And imagine all the information you would manufacture just to tell your torturers what they wanted to hear.

Wait... I think I might have found a flaw in this otherwise perfect system of interrogation...
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Of course, interrogators know that they'll be fed lies and know they'll have to sift for quality. Harsh methods have to be used on bad guys who will lie.

Again, these guys want to kill masses, and they're driven by religious ideology. What works is alright by me. If they want to give up their jihad, and cooperate of their own free will, because they acknowledge what they're a part of is horrible and wrong, i'm happy.
But whatever they know, I want our intelligence officers to know, even if they have to be hard on the scum to get it.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
Of course, interrogators know that they'll be fed lies and know they'll have to sift for quality. Harsh methods have to be used on bad guys who will lie.

Again, these guys want to kill masses, and they're driven by religious ideology. What works is alright by me. If they want to give up their jihad, and cooperate of their own free will, because they acknowledge what they're a part of is horrible and wrong, i'm happy.
But whatever they know, I want our intelligence officers to know, even if they have to be hard on the scum to get it.
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You keep missing the part of the report that shows that if you want to know what the suspects know, torturing them doesn't work. So it's morally repugnant and it doesn't even help. Plus it makes everything you learn inadmissible in court so it's impossible to prosecute anyone.

What a stupid, immoral, repugnant tactic you've embraced here.
 
Punch RockGroin said:
It's not them we're shedding tears for. It's us.
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This.

I am actually quite ambivalent to the suffering of those who were tortured. I don't know them and have reason to suspect they meant harm to my country.

However, when the data shows torture is not effective then it becomes about punishment, not about intelligence. At this point sanctioning such in my name lessens me. This I will not do.
 
Unabogie said:
You keep missing the part of the report that shows that if you want to know what the suspects know, torturing them doesn't work. So it's morally repugnant and it doesn't even help. Plus it makes everything you learn inadmissible in court so it's impossible to prosecute anyone.

What a stupid, immoral, repugnant tactic you've embraced here.
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What part of the report shows that?
 
Monketey Ghost said:
Yes, I've seen interviews with him. WW2 is quite different conflict.
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Did you miss the point? What matters are the interrogation techniques. The idea that harsh techniques/borderline torture are not prerequisites for obtaining useful information.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
Of course, interrogators know that they'll be fed lies and know they'll have to sift for quality. Harsh methods have to be used on bad guys who will lie.

Again, these guys want to kill masses, and they're driven by religious ideology. What works is alright by me. If they want to give up their jihad, and cooperate of their own free will, because they acknowledge what they're a part of is horrible and wrong, i'm happy.
But whatever they know, I want our intelligence officers to know, even if they have to be hard on the scum to get it.
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Excuse me, but I think that you do not realize that you are arguing against your own point.

First, of all ...

by the time a person is captured,
then delivered to a place where good torture can be done by people who actually know to do it,
then the person tortured to the point where he actually starts talking,
then the information he provides has been validated,

then so much time has elapsed that the person in question normally no longer has any information that is actionable.

Second, of all ...

when the USA tortures its detainees, then the USA is essentially granting permission for other people to torture citizens of the USA that they may be holding.

Therefore, when the USA tortures its detainees in clear violation of national and international law, then it becomes very difficult for the USA to prosecute other nations who practice torture.

As a result, the torture of detainees is a both a practical and morally bankrupt practice.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
Yes, I've seen interviews with him. WW2 is quite different conflict.
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You're right. It was different. There were far bigger stakes and scope involved in WWII than what we face today.

Try to get some perspective.

It's pretty clear from your posts that you are not interested in getting usable information quickly. You are really just looking for revenge on people you think mean you harm. Like the last administration, that is the kind of mindset I don't want in charge in the middle of a crisis.
 
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