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Sen. Ted Kennedy Dead

makaya325 said:
kennedy should have been acquited for murder due to the 1979 incident, letting that poor pregnant woman drown
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Acquitted?????????????????
I assume he meant Indicted.
You think anybody who watched a single episode of "Law and Order" would know the difference between Acquitted and Indicted.
 
BeAChooser said:
http://www.americanthinker.com/prin...g/2009/08/the_soviet_era_memo_showing_te.html "The Soviet era memo showing Ted Kennedy working against American interests"
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The opening of that article.

Some would go farther and say that the memorandum from Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB that was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR, outlining a secret proposal made by Senator Ted Kennedy to the Soviets to help them "understand Reagan" in return for their help in making him president, constitutes treason.

It's not a word to throw around lightly and the reason I refrain from using it is because I am unsure Kennedy's actions meet the definition.
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"Some would say..." What yellow journalism. The author is a coward and a weasel. Nice bilge, BAC.
 
Tricky said:
I'm guessing many people aren't particularly happy about that either, and I have no problem with people criticizing the recently deceased, but at least it would make sense to judge him on those fourty-plus years of history, rather than one one day of it.
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How about the previous 30+ years of history?

Expelled twice from Harvard for cheating.

Signed up for four years in the U.S. Army, but when he realized that he only wanted to do two years of service, he had Papa Joe pull strings to accommodate his wishes.

Papa Joe also had his son, the Private, assigned to Paris instead of Korea where all the fun was happening.

While attending University of Virginia law school, he was cited for reckless driving four times. One of the tickets was for doing 90 mph in a residential neighborhood at night without his headlights on.


Or the post 40+ years?

Kennedy on the Senate floor in 1973:

"Do we operate under a system of equal justice under law? Or is there one system for the average citizen and another for the high and mighty?"

Any chance he was thinking about Chappaquiddick while he was referring to Watergate?

In 1987 he was caught in flagrante delicto with an unidentified woman on the floor of a restaurant. Of course for a Kennedy, this isn't even boorish behavior, just expected behavior.
 
Here's what I regard as a pretty repulsive column on the Huffington Post abut Ted and Mary Jo and I feel the same way about the responses to it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melissa-lafsky/the-footnote-speaks-what_b_270298.html

I think Ted got of very, very lightly in the long run for Chappaquiddick. At the time the media just didn't investigate as strongly as they do now, especially when the person in question was someone like a Kennedy. A couple years ago Larry Craig almost got bounced out of the Senate for hitting on someone in a public restroom. Ted would have been history if Chappaquiddick happened today.

And as far as "service" goes, it's funny that service always involves something that everybody wants to do. I would think that true service would be anonymously picking up trash along the road or volunteering to clean public restrooms. Instead, service seems to involve things where you get all kinds of perks and people worship you.

It's too bad JFK and RFK were killed but they weren't putting their lives on the line (as far as they knew), rather they pursued and then exercised power. Whether they did good with it is a topic for debate. I personally think they did good. But they weren't being noble in doing what they were doing (unlike Joe Jr who died on a dangerous mission in WW II).

So Ted wasn't continuing some kind of noble tradition. Rather he was handed a lot of political power simply because of who was in his family and then was handed even more political power because his two brothers were murdered and Ted got a bunch of sympathy. And he had so much political power he probably could have been elected President, even though he hadn't done anything to remotely deserve the power. And then he threw a chunk of the power away when his carelessness killed a woman and then his political calculating resulted in her body staying in the water for 10 hours.

Someone was saying how it was a lot of pressure for him to considered the leader off all those kids of his murdered brother. For one thing, why was it up to him as opposed to all his sisters to do this? Secondly, if it was such a burden then why didn't he just quit the Senate and spend time being a surrogate father? Remember, this entire family was independently wealthy. He could have done anything he wanted. The thing he chose to do was keep a job that gave political power to himself but that took a lot of time that he could otherwise be spending with his family.

I don't want to bust on Ted too much. I think he did some good things in Congress and I doubt he was any worse than lots of other people in power. But I think his whole story illustrates how corrupt American politics can be. A guy gets a very powerful position because of connections and then holds it for half a century. And then he dies and everybody praises him. We don't even recognize ridiculous when it's right in front of us.

But there is something even more ridiculous and I was reminded of it yesterday when I saw some footage of the funeral coverage. Amongst the people Ted's son Patrick greeted was Senator Robert Byrd. He's in his nineties and in a wheelchair. If he didn't have a job right now then he wouldn't be able to get one. And yet he has a very powerful political job and can keep it for as long as he wants. It's just crazy.
 
makaya325 said:
kennedy should have been acquited for murder due to the 1979 incident, letting that poor pregnant woman drown
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See, this is why everyone keeps encouraging you to research your statements before you post, Gomer. You didn't get one detail right.

"Acquitted" means that Kennedy would have been found not guilty in a court of law - you obviously mean "indicted".

Chappaquiddick happened in 1969, not 1979.

Mary Jo Kopechne was not pregnant at the time.

It is widely accepted that the cause of her death was suffocation, not drowning.

All of which you could have discovered inside of five seconds by Googling "Chappaquiddick".
 
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desertgal said:
See, this is why everyone keeps encouraging you to research your statements before you post, Gomer. You didn't get one detail right.

"Acquitted" means that Kennedy would have been found not guilty in a court of law - you obviously mean "indicted".

Chappaquiddick happened in 1969, not 1979.

Mary Jo Kopechne was not pregnant at the time.

It is widely accepted that the cause of her death was suffocation, not drowning.

All of which you could have discovered inside of five seconds by Googling "Chappaquiddick".
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To be fair, he did get the part about Ted Kennedy being involved correct. And the fact that Miss Kopechne was a woman.
 
Giz said:
A British view in the Telegraph:
For years Kennedy was the bang-drummer-in-chief for brainless Irish-American IRA sympathisers, dimwits who shouted “troops out of Dublin!” and sang maudlin songs from the comfort of Boston and New York, giving money for strangers 3,000 miles away to murder their neighbours.
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Is there any proof that Irish-American IRA sympathisers shouted "troops out of Dublin!" ever in Boston or New York?

I thought not.

Why does a reporter have to resort to a lie when the original point he was trying to make was valid on it's own merits?
 
I liked Ted Kennedy because he enraged and will continue to enrage conservatives even after death. It's great that whenever you mention his name, conservatives instantly produce 15,000,000 links to articles about Chappaquiddick.

"Ted Kennedy was a tireless fighter for national health insurance."
"Oh yeah? Chappaquiddick."

"Ted Kennedy reportedly has the best staff in the Senate."
"Well what about Chappaquiddick?"

"Ted Kennedy surprisingly grew into a respected politician in the Senate."
"You fail to mention Mary Jo Kopechne and Chappaquiddick."

etc. etc.
 
oldhat said:
I liked Ted Kennedy because he enraged and will continue to enrage conservatives even after death. It's great that whenever you mention his name, conservatives instantly produce 15,000,000 links to articles about Chappaquiddick.
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Ann Coulter is equally valuable for her effect on libs.

"Ted Kennedy was a tireless fighter for national health insurance."
"Oh yeah? Chappaquiddick."
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Teddy helped pass "No Child Left Behind."
"Oh yeah? He was expelled from Harvard twice for cheating.


"Ted Kennedy reportedly has the best staff in the Senate."
"Well what about Chappaquiddick?"
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Teddy is always a gentleman and displays proper decorum on and off the Hill.


"As Gaviglio enters the room, the six-foot-two, 225-plus-pound Kennedy grabs the five-foot-three, 103-pound waitress and throws her on the table. She lands on her back, scattering crystal, plates and cutlery and the lit candles. Several glasses and a crystal candlestick are broken. Kennedy then picks her up from the table and throws her on Dodd, who is sprawled in a chair. With Gaviglio on Dodd’s lap, Kennedy jumps on top and begins rubbing his genital area against hers, supporting his weight on the arms of the chair. As he is doing this, Loh enters the room. She and Gaviglio both scream, drawing one or two dishwashers. Startled, Kennedy leaps up. He laughs. Bruised, shaken and angry over what she considered a sexual assault, Gaviglio runs from the room. Kennedy, Dodd and their dates leave shortly thereafter, following a friendly argument between the senators over the check."

"...a former congressional page tells of her surprise meeting with Kennedy three years ago. She was 16 then. It was evening and she and her 16-year-old page, an attractive blonde, were walking down the Capitol steps on their way home from work when Kennedy’s limo pulled up and the senator opened the door. In the backseat stood a bottle of wine on ice. Leaning his graying head out the door, the senator popped the question: Would one of the girls care to join him for dinner? No? How about the other? The girls said no thanks and the senator zoomed off. Kennedy, the formal page said, made no overt sexual overtures and was “very careful to make it seem like nothing out of the ordinary.” It is possible that Kennedy did not know that the girls were underage or that they were pages and, as such, were under the protection of Congress, which serves in loco parentis. Nevertheless, the former page said she did find Kennedy’s invitation surprising. “He didn’t even know me,” she says. “I knew this kind of stuff happened, but I didn’t expect it to happen to me.”

http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_5585

"Ted Kennedy surprisingly grew into a respected politician in the Senate."
"You fail to mention Mary Jo Kopechne and Chappaquiddick."
etc. etc.
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"Ted Kennedy never was born to be president or wanted it terribly,” says Milton Gwirtzman. “I think the reason he ran has to do with something his father once said to him: ‘If there’s a piece of cake on the plate, take it. Eat it.’ ”

Number od deaths attributed to Watergate : 0
Number of deaths attributed to Chappaquiddick: 1

Maybe that is why it still holds a special place for political scandals.
 
Cicero said:
Number od deaths attributed to Watergate : 0
Number of deaths attributed to Chappaquiddick: 1

Maybe that is why it still holds a special place for political scandals.
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So it's just Chappaquiddick that keeps you from jumping on the Kennedy bandwagon? Really?
 
boloboffin said:
So it's just Chappaquiddick that keeps you from jumping on the Kennedy bandwagon? Really?
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Surely you jest? Kennedy's politics make me hurl, but his personnel behavior should make even his most staunch defenders and apologists cringe in shame.
 
oldhat said:
I liked Ted Kennedy because he enraged and will continue to enrage conservatives even after death. It's great that whenever you mention his name, conservatives instantly produce 15,000,000 links to articles about Chappaquiddick.

"Ted Kennedy was a tireless fighter for national health insurance."
"Oh yeah? Chappaquiddick."

"Ted Kennedy reportedly has the best staff in the Senate."
"Well what about Chappaquiddick?"

"Ted Kennedy surprisingly grew into a respected politician in the Senate."
"You fail to mention Mary Jo Kopechne and Chappaquiddick."

etc. etc.
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That's funny. Seriously. I find myself often coming to revelations around here with certain posts, and how certain people on the left rationalize things to themselves.

You see the Chappaquiddick comeback as some kind of vicious attack and attempt to ignore other fine work he may or may not have done. We see it as "wow, liberals insist on bending over backwards to point out every possible "good" thing about Kennedy, sincerely believing that they outweigh or dismiss the entire Chappaquiddick incident entirely." And that is startling. Honestly.

None of what he has done otherwise has any bearing on the incident in question. Either he did something wrong, or he didn't. And if he did in any way allow this woman to die, then I don't care if he's going around giving money to every poor person in the county, giving his blood to everyone who needs it.. I don't care if he's personally doing charity work with the blind. I don't care if he's was the next Mother Theresa. None of that would forgive or outshadow that crime. And you know damn well you'd never be so forgiving of anyone on the other side of the isle in the same circumstance.

We may never know the truth about this incident, but it's fascinating the way those on the left just go "ho hum, BORING!" to the entire idea, as if it was loooong ago shown to have been completely innocent and Saint Ted walked away from the thing smelling like a rose. Talk about self-delusion.
 
Cicero said:
Surely you jest? Kennedy's politics make me hurl, but his personnel behavior should make even his most staunch defenders and apologists cringe in shame.
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Cringe in shame? I didn't kill her or cover up her death for a day. I have no personal stake in the incident at all. I have no shame in this act.

Clearly for Kennedy detractors, if Chappaquiddick didn't exist, it would have been necessary to invent it. Yes, Ted Kennedy was responsible for her death. Yes, Ted Kennedy didn't report the accident for hours, and not until the car was discovered did he own up to it. All of this is awful.

But to my mind, it's just as awful for people who wouldn't have given two drops of blood for her otherwise to use her as political fodder against Ted Kennedy for decades. Who was Mary Jo Kopechne to you?
 
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