Sen. Ted Kennedy Dead

[Shaun from Scotland]

Yeah. Grave dancing is only appropriate for evil people. Ted Kennedy, whilst possessed of certain ****head qualities, was not evil.

All IRA sympathisers are evil

 

[Lonewulf]

I don't consider trying to obscure (or compensate for) the fact he murdered someone with financially rewarding civil service later in his opulent luxurious life to be altruism.

That being said, Senator Kennedy's body will have 6 pall bearers. His head will have 8.

You know, a few lobotomies and I'm sure I might just find that hilarious. As it is, though, my IQ is just too high.

All IRA sympathisers are evil

Simplification of Ted Kennedy's position is simplified. Whatever it takes to make him your bogeyman, I suppose.

 

[cwalner]

I am just reminded of conversation about ten years ago with my aunt, who lives (and lived then) in Boston. She was complaining about how ridiculously conservative her senior senator was. Now, Ted Kennedy has lived a very public, and far from perfect life, so there are many things that he will be criticised for. I just never thought that being too conservative would ever be one of them.

For good or ill, Ted Kennedy was a major player in our government for over 40 years. I am just disheartened that at my office there is almost no water-cooler discussion about his life and death as there was for several recent entertainment celebrities.

So I am glad I have here to come to, to simply remember him, because whether you agreed or disagreed with his positions, he was a major influence on US politics and deserves to be remembered as such.

RIP Senator Kennedy.

 

[Giz]

A British view in the Telegraph:



For years Kennedy was the bang-drummer-in-chief for brainless Irish-American IRA sympathisers, dimwits who shouted “troops out of Dublin!” and sang maudlin songs from the comfort of Boston and New York, giving money for strangers 3,000 miles away to murder their neighbours.

...

Kennedy himself said that Ulster Protestants “should be given a decent opportunity to go back to Britain”, without in any way suggesting he would give Boston back to the Indians (or the English-Americans, for that matter) and return to Co. Wexford. He compared Britain’s presence in Ulster with America’s in Vietnam, and later forced Jimmy Carter to ban arm sales to the RUC, blackening the name of that tirelessly heroic band of men, each one of them worth a thousand spoiled Ivy League playboys.

...

I’m sure Kennedy was essentially a good man and a servant of his own country, but he was certainly no friend of ours.


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/e...athiser-ted-kennedy-was-no-friend-of-britain/

 

[Cicero]

I am just reminded of conversation about ten years ago with my aunt, who lives (and lived then) in Boston. She was complaining about how ridiculously conservative her senior senator was.

Your aunt obviously confused Kennedy with Henry Cabot Lodge. That must have been her favorite place to stay.

 

[Foolmewunz]

A British view in the Telegraph:



For years Kennedy was the bang-drummer-in-chief for brainless Irish-American IRA sympathisers, dimwits who shouted “troops out of Dublin!” and sang maudlin songs from the comfort of Boston and New York, giving money for strangers 3,000 miles away to murder their neighbours.

...

Kennedy himself said that Ulster Protestants “should be given a decent opportunity to go back to Britain”, without in any way suggesting he would give Boston back to the Indians (or the English-Americans, for that matter) and return to Co. Wexford. He compared Britain’s presence in Ulster with America’s in Vietnam, and later forced Jimmy Carter to ban arm sales to the RUC, blackening the name of that tirelessly heroic band of men, each one of them worth a thousand spoiled Ivy League playboys.

...

I’m sure Kennedy was essentially a good man and a servant of his own country, but he was certainly no friend of ours.


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/e...athiser-ted-kennedy-was-no-friend-of-britain/

Nice to be reminded that you have idiots in the UK, too. I wasn't aware that a large number of Brits looked at 9/11 and thought that there was at least a silver lining in that we now knew what it was like to be attacked by terrorists. And here all of my British friends, who are not known for their tact, generally, had told me that they viewed it with horror.

 

[Giz]

Nice to be reminded that you have idiots in the UK, too. I wasn't aware that a large number of Brits looked at 9/11 and thought that there was at least a silver lining in that we now knew what it was like to be attacked by terrorists. And here all of my British friends, who are not known for their tact, generally, had told me that they viewed it with horror.

Way to miss the point. 9/11 was obscene... and so was Ted Kennedy's support of the IRA.

 

[gtc]

Nice to be reminded that you have idiots in the UK, too. I wasn't aware that a large number of Brits looked at 9/11 and thought that there was at least a silver lining in that we now knew what it was like to be attacked by terrorists. And here all of my British friends, who are not known for their tact, generally, had told me that they viewed it with horror.

The article says nothing of the sort. However, many people in the rest of the world are grateful that the Americans have done more to crack down on the funding of overseas terrorist organisations in the years since 2001. Not only with regard to the IRA but also with regard to the LTTE.

 

[Cleon]

The article says nothing of the sort. However, many people in the rest of the world are grateful that the Americans have done more to crack down on the funding of overseas terrorist organisations in the years since 2001. Not only with regard to the IRA but also with regard to the LTTE.

There hasn't been much of an IRA to contribute to.

 

[Foolmewunz]

The article says nothing of the sort. However, many people in the rest of the world are grateful that the Americans have done more to crack down on the funding of overseas terrorist organisations in the years since 2001. Not only with regard to the IRA but also with regard to the LTTE.

I dunno - this sort of seems to be "of the sort" to me.

It’s not often said aloud but many British people when they first saw United 175 hit the World Trade Centre felt, alongside shock, pity and a sense of solidarity with the American people, also a feeling of “now you know what terrorism is like, will you stop funding the murder of our people?”

 

[Foolmewunz]

<snip> 9/11 was obscene... and so was Ted Kennedy's support of the IRA.

Ya think?

That does not change the fact that the author is, from the circumstantial evidence available, an idiot with an agenda.

I don't care much for the argument about not speaking ill of the dead... but give the body a chance to cool down, at least! History has all the time in the world on its side. Was/is it so important to get this particular criticism out before the body's even buried.

 

[gtc]

You are making it sound like their first reaction was to be pleased.

Anyway, what is actually wrong with what he said? He felt shock, pity and sadness and hoped the government would do something about the Americans who supported terrorism. That does not make him an idiot with an agenda (other than possibly the agenda of seeing an end to terrorism).

The only idiot would be someone who saw the results of terrorism and did not feel grateful that the Americans became more focussed on cracking down on terrorism anywhere it occurred.

 

[Foolmewunz]

You are making it sound like their first reaction was to be pleased.

No, the author said that.... "when they FIRST SAW" ...

Anyway, what is actually wrong with what he said? He felt shock, pity and sadness and hoped the government would do something about the Americans who supported terrorism. That does not make him an idiot with an agenda (other than possibly the agenda of seeing an end to terrorism).

Yes, and that's what I said. You do understand the connotation of "silver lining", as in "every cloud has a silver lining"? e.g. Something bad happens but at least there's some good that comes of it amidst the bad. That's just what he said, and just what I said.
So you're just confirming what I said, at least up to this juncture.

The only idiot would be someone who saw the results of terrorism and did not feel grateful that the Americans became more focussed on cracking down on terrorism anywhere it occurred.

Really? I guess I'm funny, then. I stood there watching that whole day unfold, and that wasn't my first reaction, at all. Nor second. Nor third. Given a little while to think about it, I suppose that when I was finished worrying that my friends who hadn't made it to the office that morning weren't dead, or that the people I knew who still worked in the towers had gotten out (some hadn't as it turns out), yeah, I might've given a think to realpolitik, but there were a whole load of other things on my mind before then.

 

[Delscottio]

No, the author said that.... "when they FIRST SAW" ...



Yes, and that's what I said. You do understand the connotation of "silver lining", as in "every cloud has a silver lining"? e.g. Something bad happens but at least there's some good that comes of it amidst the bad. That's just what he said, and just what I said.
So you're just confirming what I said, at least up to this juncture.



Really? I guess I'm funny, then. I stood there watching that whole day unfold, and that wasn't my first reaction, at all. Nor second. Nor third. Given a little while to think about it, I suppose that when I was finished worrying that my friends who hadn't made it to the office that morning weren't dead, or that the people I knew who still worked in the towers had gotten out (some hadn't as it turns out), yeah, I might've given a think to realpolitik, but there were a whole load of other things on my mind before then.

Its amazing how living under the cloud of terrorism for a few decades affects your thinking. Especially when your supposed closest ally openly allows the collection of funds to aid said terrorism.

Who says the terrorists never win eh?

 

[Brainster]

Ed Klein reports that Ted loved Chappaquiddick jokes:



Klein somehow manages to make this seem endearing.

 

[Ziggurat]

Klein somehow manages to make this seem endearing.

From where I'm sitting he doesn't manage it, he only tries.

 

[dudalb]

Ya think?

That does not change the fact that the author is, from the circumstantial evidence available, an idiot with an agenda.

I don't care much for the argument about not speaking ill of the dead... but give the body a chance to cool down, at least! History has all the time in the world on its side. Was/is it so important to get this particular criticism out before the body's even buried.

I have noted a lot of the gutter UK Press has a nasty habit of Stereotyping all Irish Americans as mindless IRA supporters.
And the RUC was not exatly a bastion of virtue,either. At times it seemed to be the Orange Order in Police Uniform.

 

[dudalb]

Indeed. "I don't wish to, but my biases... um... I mean... Honesty forces me to"

To be fair, we had an awful lot of this when Reagan died. I remember not three hours after he had died, the Internet was full of dancing on his grave.
Frankly, when it comes to having total jerks, left and right are about equal.

 

[Lonewulf]

To be fair, we had an awful lot of this when Reagan died. I remember not three hours after he had died, the Internet was full of dancing on his grave.
Frankly, when it comes to having total jerks, left and right are about equal.

I wouldn't have danced on Reagan's grave. Hell, it felt distasteful when people were dancing on Jerry Falwell's grave.

 

[oldhat]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2009/aug/27/edward-kennedy-andrew-breitbart

Soon after, conservative commentator Andrew Breitbart began a sustained assault on Kennedy's memory, tweeting "Rest in Chappaquiddick."

Over the course of the next three hours, Breitbart unapologetically attacked Kennedy, calling him a "villain," "a big ass motherf@#$er," a "duplicitous bastard" and a "prick." "I'll shut my mouth for Carter. That's just politics. Kennedy was a special pile of human excrement," wrote Breitbart in one tweet.