Selfish with your powers?

[bratok]

>> Wait, wait: Do you read Russian? Since you can do this, surely you can explain it?

Ahh... here you go a push start!

1. You should turn your hands "on" by rubbing them for about 10 seconds, untill they become warm. Then wave your palms quickly, as if trying to get water off them, for another 10 seconds.

2. Now place your hands one facing another, as if you have a small melon there.

Like this:

3. Move the hands carefully closer and further from each other, not more then a few centimiter ( ~ 1 inch ) for each hand. You can also move your hands one a bit up and the other down. But do all it gently so that you would be able to feel the forming ball, you're not chopping meat. Try to feel the energy going out of your hands and forming a ball.

Congretulations, you've just made your first energy ball
you can sell it for 1m $

P.S.
Today we were doing it in a group of about 30 people and everybody said that they had at least some feelings when doing it for the first time and all were pro-ball-makers within a few hours.


Good Luck!

 

[Tricky]

>> Wait, wait: Do you read Russian? Since you can do this, surely you can explain it?

Ahh... here you go a push start!

1. You should turn your hands "on" by rubbing them for about 10 seconds, untill they become warm. Then wave your palms quickly, as if trying to get water off them, for another 10 seconds.

2. Now place your hands one facing another, as if you have a small melon there.

Like this:

3. Move the hands carefully closer and further from each other, not more then a few centimiter ( ~ 1 inch ) for each hand. You can also move your hands one a bit up and the other down. But do all it gently so that you would be able to feel the forming ball, you're not chopping meat. Try to feel the energy going out of your hands and forming a ball.

Thank you, Bratok, that's very interesting. I have just done what you said, and what I notice is a tingling in my hands, consistant with increasing circulation. It is similar to the feeling you get when your hands have been cold and they start to warm up. However, there are some simple ways to test this. Have someone who has NOT done the procedure you describe "take" the energy ball from you. Although you created it, they should also be able to feel it.

Another thing you can do is to actually try to do something physical with the energy ball that can be observed by others. A good example would be to aim it at (or place it on) an electrical meter to see if it contains a current. Or you can throw it at (or place it on) a TV or computer screen (the old "picture tube" type, not flat screen) to see if it changes the color. If you have ever played with a magnet and a TV/computer screen, you know that magnetic energy affects the colors. If you think the energy is static electricity (and there is a possibility that you have built up some static charge by all this rubbing), then you might try holding the energy ball over some dust particles or very small pieces of paper. It should cause them to move.

But the real key is the first thing I said. If others cannot feel your energy ball, then maybe it is only the way your hands feel as a result of the circulation. Here's a way to test for that. Go into a closed room alone and flip a coin. If the coin is heads, make an energy ball. If it is tails, do not. Then hold the energy ball or your empty hands outside the room for a friend to examine. If you are not holding an energy ball, try to hold your hands exactly as if you were. Have your friend tell you whether or not there is an energy ball in your hands. This is not a perfect test, because it is possible to give "body language" hints to your friend as to whether or not you are holding and energy ball, but if the energy balls are really there, he should get it right every time.

As I say, these are not the best ways to test for this, but they are things you can do without a lot of set-up. Others here may suggest better ways.

The reasons for testing should be obvious: If these are real, then they are something totally unknown to science, and they could be of great benefit to humanity. You would be selfish not to try to prove them.

Today we were doing it in a group of about 30 people and everybody said that they had at least some feelings when doing it for the first time and all were pro-ball-makers within a few hours.

Did you feel each others balls, or only your own? It sounds like you were with a group of people who already believe in these things. You need to see if some non-believers can make them too. Sometimes beleiving something can make you imagine it is real. It is much smarter to test for these things.

By the way, what do you do with these energy balls once you have created them?

 

[prustage]

Did you feel each others balls, or only your own?

If I had a scrapbook, I'd paste that in. (Sorry for being so juvenile...)

 

[Zep]

If I had a scrapbook, I'd paste that in. (Sorry for being so juvenile...)

I had something to say on this too...but I think your comment is more gooderer than mine was going to be!

 

[bratok]

The tingling is, in most cases, caused by increasing circulation. The beginning procedure ( rubbing and waweing ) increased not only blood flow, but also energy flows to your hands.

Later you would not have to do it, because whenever you would hold your hands line forming a ball, your subconscious will already know what you're doing and increase the energy flow. It's like riding a bike.

Feeling the ball would be more as tension in your hands, as if you are squeezing an airbaloon. It might be supported with tingling or heat or cold, but this are not the key feeling.

I personaly feel this tension with the center of my palm, while there were others in the group who said to feel it mostly with their fingertips. So I believe that the exect place on the palm with which you feel the tension and weather it is suppoered with other feeling ( tingling, hot, cold ) could be individual.

Yes, we were able to feel each others balls
and roughly describe them. This was an exercise for feeling the energy and how it is transformed by someone.

For example, you make a nice, big, light, warm ball and give it to someone who has to describe it. He says that it is a big, light ball and gives it back to you. Now you have to feel how this ball has transformed, that is has, for exmaple, became smaller and seems with be heavy at the bottom and lighter at the top.

Later this abilities can be used to feel another person's energy ( aka as etherical body or aura ).

Yes, people in the group where more-or-less believers ( a "skeptic" won't go there because he is very wise and knows that none of it if ever possible ), yet I do not think this feeling could be caused only by ones imagination. If you'de place your hand on an imaginary table, you won't feel it.

Tried it with an old BW TV. If you hold your turned on hands on both sides of it, the picture goes completely fuzzy. If you make a ball and place it within a TV, the picture also goes a bit fuzzy. Yet had no effect on dust.

Tried it also with a relative that is not a skeptic and not a woo-woo believer. She also felt the ball ok.

I believe that the phenomen of human energy is know to science and it is studing it.


Good Luck!

 

[bartsingson]

Tried it with an old BW TV. If you hold your turned on hands on both sides of it, the picture goes completely fuzzy. If you make a ball and place it within a TV, the picture also goes a bit fuzzy. Yet had no effect on dust.

Whoa! Now this is a claim we can test. bratok, put your balls where your mouth is and stand up to be tested. Are you ready? JREF is waiting. Oh before you go to JREF, I suggest you go first to http://www.iigwest.com/challenge.html and collect the $10,000 prize they are offering. After that, they will refer you to JREF. Or in any case, you can go directly to JREF. Your choice. Are you up to it?

My psychic abilities tell me you are not pushing through this test and I'm 100% accurate in this case.

 

[CFLarsen]

Today we were doing it in a group of about 30 people and everybody said that they had at least some feelings when doing it for the first time and all were pro-ball-makers within a few hours.

It is extremely easy to imagine that I feel it, or the warming up and waving of hands will make the hands tingle a bit. Do you think that those two explanations are valid?

It isn't enough merely to (think I) feel it. I need to do something with the ball. What works?

Good Luck!

Why do you always say that? Why do I need luck? What's luck got to do with anything?

 

[thatguywhojuggles]

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Sorry Ashles, like I said in my message few if any would get my joke. It was a quote I had in my signature a long time ago. I was browsing a website and these (I can only assume) kids were discussing making these same balls of energy. One of the kids was comenting that he was not having much luck, so someone suggested drinking pepsi. (My guess is the sugar or the caffein was supposed to help?)

 

[Ladewig]

Whoa! Now this is a claim we can test. bratok, put your balls where your mouth is and stand up to be tested. Are you ready? JREF is waiting. Oh before you go to JREF, I suggest you go first to http://www.iigwest.com/challenge.html and collect the $10,000 prize they are offering. After that, they will refer you to JREF. Or in any case, you can go directly to JREF. Your choice. Are you up to it?

I fear that bratok may miss this very important post, so I am repeating it.

 

[nbenami]

I fear that bratok may miss this very important post, so I am repeating it.

Oh, I doubt he missed it. But its amazing how truly deluded one has to be to truly apply for the challenge. I think this Bratok is not deluded, I think he's just desperate for attention, of which he's already gotten way too much. He's having a laugh at all of you for reponding to his silliness. In a reasonable world this thread would have looked like this:

B: I can make energy balls!

U: Ok, post a video of this.

B: No, I am too wise!

U: Ok, goodbye.

 

[Jyera]

Bartok,

Perhaps you might like to share with us.

1. Did you discover a new and yet unknown "New Force" ?
(like Energy, Electromagnetic Wave, Electricity, Static, Sound) or a did you discover a technique.

2. If it is a "New Force" .
Is there any exception, when it won't work or exists?
Eg. Sound don't travel through vaccum.
Eg. Electricity will not travel through non-conductor.

3. If it is a technique, when or how will it be wrongly applied?
(So as to render the technique ineffective.
And you can be extremely sure that no energy ball will form.)

 

[Zep]

Oh, I doubt he missed it. But its amazing how truly deluded one has to be to truly apply for the challenge. I think this Bratok is not deluded, I think he's just desperate for attention, of which he's already gotten way too much. He's having a laugh at all of you for reponding to his silliness. In a reasonable world this thread would have looked like this:

B: I can make energy balls!

U: Ok, post a video of this.

B: No, I am too wise!

U: Ok, goodbye.

Well, yes. But sometimes it's a bit of fun to bat them about like a beachball too. Oh, and we're nice folks - Mr Bartok is learning something here for free.

 

[nbenami]

But sometimes it's a bit of fun to bat them about like a beachball too

Hm. I guess...

Oh, and we're nice folks - Mr Bartok is learning something here for free

Yes, people here do seem quite nice. I guess if this endless round-and-round is fun for you, thats all right. I think its a bit optimistic to think that Bratok is learning something: If he's truly deluded, he's pretty much closed to any conflicting ideas, and if he's just trolling, new ideas aren't what he's here for.

I wonder, if you went on some wacko new age discussion board and started arguing there, would the folks there go "well, we're nice folks - Mr. Zep is learning something here for free"?

 

[bratok]

And a good day to you too.

After a little browsing through the DEIR forum, found out that there already have been a few "wise" people who had submitted their abilities to be tested by different skeptic organizations and were answered that there is nothing paranormal about the phenomena of human energy and the fact that one can play around with it at his will.

DEIR ( www.deir.org ) is a branch of energoinformational department of MAIRVT ( Russian academy, if in brief ).

So, once again, the phenomena of human energy ( that some refer to as Prana, Chi, etc. ) is know and studied by modern science. Try using google.

And fully denying it only show what kind of mental blocks one might have . Not so long ago there were people who denied that the earth is round or that there are viruses.

 

[Zep]

I wonder, if you went on some wacko new age discussion board and started arguing there, would the folks there go "well, we're nice folks - Mr. Zep is learning something here for free"?

Actually, this has been tested fairly extensively, especially on homeopathy forums. "Stalin's Airbrush" gets going pretty rapidly as soon as any contrary or even enquiring views of any sort get posted, over there.

Dissent is not an option! Enquiry is not an option!

 

[Zep]

And a good day to you too.

After a little browsing through the DEIR forum, found out that there already have been a few "wise" people who had submitted their abilities to be tested by different skeptic organizations and were answered that there is nothing paranormal about the phenomena of human energy and the fact that one can play around with it at his will.

DEIR ( www.deir.org ) is a branch of energoinformational department of MAIRVT ( Russian academy, if in brief ).

So, once again, the phenomena of human energy ( that some refer to as Prana, Chi, etc. ) is know and studied by modern science. Try using google.

And fully denying it only show what kind of mental blocks one might have . Not so long ago there were people who denied that the earth is round or that there are viruses.

I'm really glad that you are at least bilingual, but many of us here aren't. You see, the site you referenced is in Cyrillic and is, presumably, in the Russian language. So we have no idea WHAT it is saying really - it could be a pornography site for all we know (and I'm none the wiser for clicking on any of the links too).

So do you think you might find either an English translation/version for that site, or perhaps you might care to link to the English versions of any of the scientific research that this group has conducted. I'm sure that if it is a ground-breaking as you say it is, there will certainly be at least one English translation of each of these reports.

Incidentally, just because a groups SAYS it is skeptical doesn't mean it IS skeptical. And that goes for JREF too, of course.

 

[Powa]

Not so long ago there were people who denied that the earth is round or that there are viruses.

And woo-woos <S>like you</S> are trying to push us back to those good old times.

 

[Jyera]

When will it NOT work.

Hi Bartok,

While you had showed us how to create an "energy ball".

It is important to know how to do it wrongly.

Knowing how to do it wrongly gives insight about the boundary of the technique/technology/science.

It is easier to learn if the we know how to do it wrongly.
Then the learner will not be misguided to have illusion that he did feel the energy ball when he is actually imagining.

It also makes teaching others effectively.
The sharp learner will know when the teacher is contradicting himself and the theory.

And very often it is a good student's sharp perception, that flushes out contradiction to original theory/technique. Contradiction often leads to innovation and new discovery about the existing Theory.

Eg. If you are to teach me successfully, and gives no boundary of how it might not work. I could easily teach the wrong thing to my student.

If however there is no possibility for a negative demostration, the validity of "energy ball" looks very questionable.

 

[Ashles]

So, once again, the phenomena of human energy ( that some refer to as Prana, Chi, etc. ) is know and studied by modern science.

Hmm, strange. As someone with a degree in experimental psychology and an avid reader of current scientific trends and theories, I am a little surprised to have never come across this research or technology, which you claim is almost everyday science.

And by the way a Google search for something does not make it scientifically accurate or true. I can find Harry Potter fairly easily, however, I'm not entirely certain he is real.

I am fully convinced, however, that you don't really believe in this energy ball stuff, but you are enjoying pushing an argument to illogical extremes.

However it remains that you won't/can't prove your claims, there is "scientific research" confirming it, which has been conducted by, apparently, one study which is in a language we can't read and we can't perform the feats ourselves because we have "mental blocks".

The words are different but the tune is strangely familiar...

 

[Ladewig]

bartsingson
Whoa! Now this is a claim we can test. bratok, put your balls where your mouth is and stand up to be tested. Are you ready? JREF is waiting. Oh before you go to JREF, I suggest you go first to http://www.iigwest.com/challenge.html and collect the $10,000 prize they are offering. After that, they will refer you to JREF. Or in any case, you can go directly to JREF. Your choice. Are you up to it?
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bratok
After a little browsing through the DEIR forum, found out that there already have been a few "wise" people who had submitted their abilities to be tested by different skeptic organizations and were answered that there is nothing paranormal about the phenomena of human energy and the fact that one can play around with it at his will.

DEIR ( www.deir.org ) is a branch of energoinformational department of MAIRVT ( Russian academy, if in brief ).

So, once again, the phenomena of human energy ( that some refer to as Prana, Chi, etc. ) is know and studied by modern science.

Bravo! Bravo! I was wondering how you might respond to a direct challenge to your willingness to apply for the JREF prize. A deft deflection on your part. I cannot call touché because you did not actually score a point here. Whatever the energoinformational department of MAIRVT believes is irrelevant in this case. The JREF does recognize the claim of human-created energy balls capable of causing static on televisions as a paranormal ability that is eligible for the prize.