Sean Manchester - Vampire Hunter

I do not want, or need, andiences, Delphi Ote - at least not in the sense you are applying this to yourselves. I said before, I have only been answering your questions. What would you have wnated me to do . . . keep silent?

The only sense in that I 'want audiences', is that I am an author. The purpose of being an author is to write books for people to read. If that were not the intention of authors in general, then we would have no books. And you would have no scientific books to read!!

For now,

David Farrant
I've noticed you write a lot but read very little. What I want you to do is pay attention to what other people are writing and to their community as a whole. Just pay us the same basic courtesy you would pay a social group you walked into in real life. After three months of being asked for evidence, it's a bit ridiculous that you would say, "I am just curious as to why it is that you continually keep demanding 'material proof' for statements..."

You are in a skeptical community. That is why we are here. This board exists because people thought it was a good idea to ask for evidence before believing in something. Even if you totally disagree with is, after all this time, the fact that we expect evidence for a claim should not suprise you in any way.
 
Hi DavidFarrant,

The only sense in that I 'want audiences', is that I am an author. The purpose of being an author is to write books for people to read. If that were not the intention of authors in general, then we would have no books. And you would have no scientific books to read!!

Are you an author of fiction or non-fiction?

Oh, and I thought you were here to rebuke "claims" made against you. You're saying you now have a different agenda?
 
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I said before, I have only been answering your questions. What would you have wnated me to do . . . keep silent?


But that's the whole point, you have not been answering our questions. Specifcailly the ones asking what exactly it is you believe and your evidence for it. All you have done is denied holding any beliefs we can infer from your past writings and posts here, and refused to provide a single scrap of evidence for things that you claim are absolute fact.
 
For Delphi Ote

I have indeed been reading what you all wrote (and carefully), otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to answer your questions – or tried to answer them.

Basically what you and Cuddles seem to be asserting, is that you can’t prove the existence of something this must automatically mean that it doesn’t exist. I simply don’t agree with this, that’s all.

As a psychic investigator, I investigate the paranormal, but I certainly look for proof (as far as possible) in the cases I investigate. If no ‘material’ proof is available, I do not automatically assert . . . “All these reports and accounts about psychic phenomena are definitely untrue because there is nothing that can be put into a test tube and ‘measured’”

No. It is not like that at all. Disprove the fakes and the phonies, by all means (I agree with that), but I just feel that there is much more to life than ‘cold icy facts’.

We all dream. These dreams are real in that we experience them. But you can’t measure a dream in a test tube, can you?!

David Farrant
 
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Basically what you and Cuddles seem to be asserting, is that you can’t prove the existence of something this must automatically mean that it doesn’t exist. I simply don’t agree with this, that’s all.

No, what we are saying is that you have not even tried to provide any evidence. No-one has mentioned this strawman you keep bringing up about not proving something meaning it doesn't exist.

We all dream. These dreams are real in that we experience them. But you can’t measure a dream in a test tube, can you?!

Yes you can. Assuming by "test tube" you mean "fMRI scanner".
 
Basically what you and Cuddles seem to be asserting, is that you can’t prove the existence of something this must automatically mean that it doesn’t exist.
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You've proved my point about not listening. Nobody has ever said anything like that.

You may not agree with us, but you can't pretend this hasn't been explained to you. I'll try one more time, though. It is impossible to prove the nonexistence of a thing. That is an unfalsifiable hypothesis. You can prove the existence of a thing. The burden of proof is on the person asserting that this thing exists. Otherwise, we have to assume every single thing anyone imagines is real.

Three months. :mgduh
 
For Cuddles and Delphi Ote

Could either of you perhaps show me where I have said on here that I could provide proof for psychic phenomena? Reporting events, testimonies and referring to other peoples’ experiences, is not quite the same thing.

You might be able to measure the electrical ‘waves’ or impulses of the brain Cuddles, but that is not what I meant. Can you please point me in the direction of any material machine that can display the actual ‘visual’ picture that is being ‘seen’ by the dreamer. If you could understand this latter point more clearly, you might come a little closer to understanding what I meant!

David Farrant
 
Perhaps I should have another try...

Could either of you perhaps show me where I have said on here that I could provide proof for psychic phenomena?
This is the problem; you read a question, misunderstand it, post a reply, read two responses to that and still misunderstand the question. It appears, even if it is not true, that you are deliberately refusing to answer any questions about claims and statements you make.

This is not a simple misunderstanding between two posters; at least three of us have tried repeatedly to help you understand the nature of the problem, without any results.


Reporting events, testimonies and referring to other peoples’ experiences, is not quite the same thing
If all you did was report hearsay and 3rd party statements as such, we wouldn't ask you personally for proof; we might, however ask you why you believed these reports or if there was any evidence available.


You might be able to measure the electrical ‘waves’ or impulses of the brain Cuddles, but that is not what I meant.
If it's not what you mean, don't say it. This, at the risk of stirring up your anti-precision ire again, goes back to the use of the correct words to convey the intended meaning.


Can you please point me in the direction of any material machine that can display the actual ‘visual’ picture that is being ‘seen’ by the dreamer.
There you go with material again, it's not a designator of oppressive skepticism you know. If it is a machine in the sense you mean, it must be material.

As to the wonderful sci-fi Dream-O-Scope, no, you can't have one.


If you could understand this latter point more clearly, you might come a little closer to understanding what I meant!
Perhaps you could explain how there is a latter point, your request for information you know to be non-existent is pointless.

Now, as for dreams, they are not real; I know someone who saw a one-eyed purple horse laying on his living room carpet, that wasn't real because he was on acid and hallucinating. When you dream, part of your brain is trying to make sense of the chaos from the cerebral cortex and the emotional signals from the amygdala, which means you have realistic, if disjointed, experiences. If you insist, they are real in that they exist as a description of the phenomena, nothing more.

There is no correlation between dreams and claims of the paranormal, we know when dreams happen and we can measure the signals being sent and the areas of the brain involved.

If the paranormal could be demonstrated, it would be one of your dreaded "cold icy facts", would this make it less appealing? Does the interest come from romantic notions which would be ruined by reality? That would be fine, believe what you like in private, as long as you don't continue to make claims on sceptical discussion forum and refuse to even justify them.


*I am unusually tired, so this post may seem a little random.
 
For Paul

I think this might be on the wrong thread now. But it doesn't matter; I'm quite happy to let the other stay without continuation.

I will finish this reply off to you tomorrow.

But just to answer this point:


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You might be able to measure the electrical ‘waves’ or impulses of the brain Cuddles, but that is not what I meant.
If it's not what you mean, don't say it. This, at the risk of stirring up your anti-precision ire again, goes back to the use of the correct words to convey the intended meaning.


It might not be what I meant, but I was only answering what Cuddles attributed to me as to what she wrongly thought I meant. There is a difference

David
 
It might not be what I meant, but I was only answering what Cuddles attributed to me as to what she wrongly thought I meant. There is a difference
The point is, what you wrote gave Cuddles the impression that you meant what you wrote.

You asked if a dream could be measured in a test tube, a method of scientific investigation, giving the clear impression that your post was about the study or measurement of dreams in a real sense. There was nothing to indicate that you might mean 'can we literally see another person's dreams?'
 
Could either of you perhaps show me where I have said on here that I could provide proof for psychic phenomena?
Could you show me a place where I contended that you claimed to have such proof? No? Right. That's because I didn't.

We might very much disagree on what we think the chances psychic phenomena are a reality, but we're not even close to discussing that. Hell, a considerable amount of this derail has been about the existence of Jesus anyway.

My beef is your gross misunderstanding or intentional misrepresentation of our position. Especially since you've been a member of the board for quite some time now. I stated the more or less commonly accepted skeptical position quite clearly in my last post. Copy. Paste. "It is impossible to prove the nonexistence of a thing. That is an unfalsifiable hypothesis. You can prove the existence of a thing. The burden of proof is on the person asserting that this thing exists. Otherwise, we have to assume every single thing anyone imagines is real." Or, as Sagan was fond of saying, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

STOP. ASSUMING. READ. THE. WORDS. I. AM. TYPING.
 
For Delphi Ote

OK I still have to answer Paul's point. I have not forgotten it, believe it or not. But I did not 'derail' anything here with points about the existence of Jesus. That was someone elses's arguement - not mine. On a personal note, I am quite satisified that the man called "Jesus" existed. And not only 'existed', but left a lasting impression upon Mankind. But I don't wish to pursue that here. It was really Cuddles and Paul who were pursuing that point with Catherine. It is certainly not a discussion I wished to become involved in here, which is why I kept well out of it.

I am really trying not to avoid any questions about psychic phenomena here. It all may be a little pointless, I agree, but I will nevertheless keep trying to answer for the moment.

I will finishing answering Paul's point tomorrow. No evasion, just sheer pressure of other things I have to do. (Even pressing 'material things', at that!).

David Farrant
 
OK I still have to answer Paul's point. I have not forgotten it, believe it or not. But I did not 'derail' anything here with points about the existence of Jesus. That was someone elses's arguement - not mine. On a personal note, I am quite satisified that the man called "Jesus" existed. And not only 'existed', but left a lasting impression upon Mankind. But I don't wish to pursue that here. It was really Cuddles and Paul who were pursuing that point with Catherine. It is certainly not a discussion I wished to become involved in here, which is why I kept well out of it.


Good job you didn't mention it here then. Oh, wait...
 
I am really trying not to avoid any questions about psychic phenomena here. It all may be a little pointless, I agree, but I will nevertheless keep trying to answer for the moment.
Hmm... so what do I have to do to get you to understand that I'm not discussing psychic phenomena? Explicitly stating that fact hasn't seemed to penetrate. Let's try this.

I am not talking about psychic phenomena.

I am trying to correct your complete misunderstanding/misrepresentation of our position.
 
While browsing Amazon I thought I'd see what Manchester has available and came across this interesting reviewer. Seems da bish likes to review his own books and say how wonderful and how maligned he is, and how wrong other people are.
 
I noticed this review some time ago and thought the same thing. The reviewer seems to have a problem with the author- the ever patient Rosemary Ellen Guiley. When I read her entry about Highgate, I noticed the ever patient Ms. Guiley did not mention a certain vampire hunting bishop at all.
 
A Note on Guiley's Entry

I noticed this review some time ago and thought the same thing. The reviewer seems to have a problem with the author- the ever patient Rosemary Ellen Guiley. When I read her entry about Highgate, I noticed the ever patient Ms. Guiley did not mention a certain vampire hunting bishop at all.

I double-checked this, to make sure you were right. The closest thing one could allude to referring to Manchester's (or Farrant's, for that matter) involvement in the case is the descriptor, "self-proclaimed VAMPIRE HUNTERS".

I'm not sure why the encyclopedia entry was over-simplified in this manner.

For others interested in reading the relevant extract mentioned by The Vampire, from Rosemary Ellen Guiley's The Encyclopedia of Vampires, Werewolves, and Other Monsters, read it here, on my forum (reproduced with kind permission from the author herself).

For a rebuttal to Guiley's entry by a (presumed) representative of the Vampire Research Society, see "Vampirologist"'s response here.

Preceding it, is a remarkably similar review by Veritas, which appears under the title of "An encyclopedia that sadly misinforms".
 

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