Cheetah
Master Poster
Where we differ is that I don't think it's impossible because of engineering challenges. I think, in principle, it will never happen. And you would never be able to verify whether such a system was conscious anyway.
Do you think other people are conscious?
But why believe in the middleman? Ditch materialism. If you think a bunch of toilets can be conscious, why not just believe everything is conscious. You're a very short hop away from panpsychism as it is.
Once again you are not reading my posts. Why do you repeatedly ask questions already answered, instead of responding to my answers?
The process of mind and consciousness is a very specific thing. It took millions of years of evolution and an insanely complex brain, wired in just the right way for it to work.
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I consider the chance of a conscious mind happening naturally with "shifting sand dunes, meteor swarms, rain storms" etc. to be impossible.
I see no way for a simple "brain like thing" to spontaneously appear and eventually evolve and become more complex and result in consciousness on these "types of hardware."
I cannot see a way for a natural mind to exist, except by starting very simply and evolving more complexity over time.
It probably needs a lot of complexity in the environment, a whole ecosystem of things to compete with for a nervous system and a brain to even evolve, never mind a human mind.
See.
Materialism is the belief that there exists mind-independent stuff, and that this stuff can combine in certain ways, and- presto- consciousness results. Somehow.
I think this is magical thinking.
Oh, now I understand.
You should have mentioned you don't believe in science.
I was hoping for a reasoned discussion and was disappointed when all I could get from you is a repeated "I don't believe it" without any justification, reason or logic.
I now see it is futile to motivate my reasoning using science and the laws of physics, since these are based on "magical thinking materialism."
I suppose we are really done now.
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