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Captain_Swoop said:
Quite right because as soon as you let one off from doing it others will follow and your army collapses.

They have to be more scared of the consequences of not attacking (certain death) than attacking (maybe death)
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Only if you are idiots fighting an unnecessary war for pointless reasons. And after doing it don't completely take apart the bad guys ability to fight again within 20 or so years.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Probably because they don't design cars with the intent that they be capable of mowing down as many people as possible.
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But vehicles are used exactly for that at times. I don't see the vehicle manufacturer getting sued though.

Many vehicles are designed to travel much faster than is safe despite the fact that a speed governor could be installed. Drunks are able to get behind the wheel and become a homicide waiting to happen even though there are safeguards against it.
 
Reheat said:
.........Just remember there might come a day when you need us heathen Americans again just like you did a couple of times in the last Century. There is a down side to disarming the populace.
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You'll turn up late again, like you always do.

No, there's no downside to having a populace with only a couple of million guns. None at all. What use do you think your armed populace is to the Brits anyway? What role does an armed populace have in the world wars you were refering to obliquely?

Oh, and cut that crap out. No-one thinks that. It's sneery, snide, and full of straw.
 
Reheat said:
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The mass shooter DID NOT acquire his firearm legally. He had mental health issues and lied on the required form he had to submit... That's part of the problem. Even if people are caught lying on these forms, they are commonly not prosecuted.
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1/ The background check asks whether you have ever been adjudicated mentally defective or committed to a mental institution. That's way beyond "mental health issues." Seeing a shrink, feeling sad, feeling mad does not disqualify you. It looks like "no" was an honest answer.

2/ What kind of background check is it if you can pass it by lying? A real background check, like you would get for a responsible job, takes weeks, and requires investigators to examine public records and talk to people who know you. If investigators had been able to call his school and the local police and ask "What do you know about this guy?," they would have had plenty to say about him. Liars usually get caught.

3/ Someone younger than 21 might qualify to buy a .22 at most. Other firearms, including AR15s, should be reserved for adults.
 
Reheat said:
........Hunting is prevalent all over the US except in the large cities. Yes, I know there is some limited hunting in the UK and elsewhere, but it is minuscule compared to the activity in the US...............
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Figures? No? Or just plucked this **** out of the air? Two muntjac (that's a deer), one roe deer, and 35 squirrels were shot in the wood (about 40 acres) behind my house over this weekend. The guy up the road from me used to shoot 50 foxes a month before he retired. Hundreds of thousands of pheasants are shot in this part of the country every year. Please tell me again what you think you know about shooting over here.
 
Ranb said:
But vehicles are used exactly for that at times. I don't see the vehicle manufacturer getting sued though.

Many vehicles are designed to travel much faster than is safe despite the fact that a speed governor could be installed. Drunks are able to get behind the wheel and become a homicide waiting to happen even though there are safeguards against it.
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It doesn't matter, your analogy fails. Guns are designed to do damage, kill people, or animals or shoot at targets. Cars are designed to transport people or things.

Sorry, analogy fail. It's akin to the argument about how many people drown in swimming pools.
 
Bob001 said:
A sheriff's deputy is a fully trained law enforcement officer comparable to a police officer. Some places have police departments and sheriff's departments, with different functions; in others, the county sheriff functions as the only police agency. This guy's own department chief says the guy failed to follow his training.
https://sheriff.org/LE/Pages/Home.aspx
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Apologies - I'm not seeing in that link any evidence of Deputy Peterson receiving any relevant training.

Pterodactyl said:
An officer in his position most definitely would’ve had active shooter training.
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Evidence?
 
AJM8125 said:
Apologies - I'm not seeing in that link any evidence of Deputy Peterson receiving any relevant training.

Evidence?
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It is the most obvious, large scale threat an SRO is likely to encounter, and one of the main reasons the positions even exist.
I can’t imagine a scenario in which an officer in such a position wouldn’t receive such training. Maybe it was his first day on the job?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
If having a gun in the house is an effective means of self defence why do insurance rates go up and not down when you have on? Is it because actuaries have proven that you’re far, far more likely to shoot yourself or a family member than someone attacking you?
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Mine have not been affected by such and I have been asked no questions concerning weaponry by my insurance company. Since Dec. 2016 I have no family members so......
 
Pterodactyl said:
It is the most obvious, large scale threat an SRO is likely to encounter, and one of the main reasons the positions even exist.
I can’t imagine a scenario in which an officer in such a position wouldn’t receive such training. Maybe it was his first day on the job?
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In other words, you don't know.
 
MikeG said:
Figures? No? Or just plucked this **** out of the air? Two muntjac (that's a deer), one roe deer, and 35 squirrels were shot in the wood (about 40 acres) behind my house over this weekend. The guy up the road from me used to shoot 50 foxes a month before he retired. Hundreds of thousands of pheasants are shot in this part of the country every year. Please tell me again what you think you know about shooting over here.
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No, I didn't just pull my opinion out of my arse. I lived in Norfolk Co. for three years, on the outskirts of the village of Watton. I also traversed the Stanford PTA twice daily (that's a heavily wooded military training area). I am highly skeptical of your claims regarding harvested animals.

I had many friends and was active in the community, but I never witnessed nor discussed a firearm in private ownership, so again I'm skeptical of your claims...
 
AJM8125 said:
In other words, you don't know.
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Do I know if he specifically somehow managed to weasel out of the training for one of the main facets of his job? No.

But if you’re hanging some larger point on presuming he didn’t have this training, I’d say that’s a bad bet. Especially considering he was basically fired for not doing what he was expected to.

But by all means, roll with that. He had no idea what to do. Right.
 
Reheat said:
Do you think soldiers grow on trees?
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We produce very good soldiers, man for man easily a match for any produced by the USA.

What does giving teenagers assault rifles to play with have to do with producing soldiers?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
If having a gun in the house is an effective means of self defence why do insurance rates go up and not down when you have on? Is it because actuaries have proven that you’re far, far more likely to shoot yourself or a family member than someone attacking you?
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Where in the heck did this tale come from? I know folks who have large collections and no one has ever asked about them.....ever....
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It doesn't matter, your analogy fails. Guns are designed to do damage, kill people, or animals or shoot at targets. Cars are designed to transport people or things.

Sorry, analogy fail. It's akin to the argument about how many people drown in swimming pools.
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Give me a product that isn't a weapon you would accept in analogy.

If you find yourself unwilling it could say something about your willingness to debate in Good faith.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
We produce very good soldiers, man for man easily a match for any produced by the USA.

What does giving teenagers assault rifles to play with have to do with producing soldiers?
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I suppose you're the judge of the quality of soldiers in each Country.

You must have me confused with someone else. I don't know of any teenagers who were given assault rifles. I also don't know of any who bought one either. It is very difficult to purchase one here and they are licensed.
 
MikeG said:
Figures? No? Or just plucked this **** out of the air? Two muntjac (that's a deer), one roe deer, and 35 squirrels were shot in the wood (about 40 acres) behind my house over this weekend. The guy up the road from me used to shoot 50 foxes a month before he retired. Hundreds of thousands of pheasants are shot in this part of the country every year. Please tell me again what you think you know about shooting over here.
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There was a crow shoot in the wood behind us yesterday towards Skelton Castle. Today it sounded like a shoot over by How la Hay Farm which I think is just on Lord Guisboroughs Estate, that was for Wood Pigeon, I saw hundreds of them circling where the shooting had put them up.
When the main Pheasant and Grouse seasons are going it sounds like a full on war right across the moors and through all the woods around.

In addition there are always people out after small stuff like rabbit and squirrel usually with a 22. At night the preferred weapon is a pre-charger air rifle with a suppressor and a big lamp for rabbit.
Up in the Forestry commission forests along the edge of the moors and across Dalby Dale and Moors there is a lot of Deer hunting.
 
As for civilians being prepared for the military.
Most towns have an Army Cadet, Air Cadet or Sea Cadet unit that provides most of the recruits for the services.
They are issued with SA80s limited to semi-auto for drill and range shooting.
When I was a Sea Cadet we had Lee Enfields but that was back in the 70s.
the Army Cadets used to have a Bren Guns as well but they went in the late 90s.
 
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