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Checkmite said:
Not to mention the fact that a large portion of school shooters, and mass shooters in general, fully intend to either be killed or commit suicide at the conclusion of their rampage.
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Prefer they go on sight or shortly after. Prefer in great pain though. Pain can be very educational.
 
Checkmite said:
He was permitted to retire rather than be fired. But whichever road he "chose", he was forced out. He was made to leave by his superiors because of what he did (or, rather, failed to do) in this incident.
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Cowardice in the line of duty I would think. Means he would likely fail also if he was supposed to back up another officer in the line of duty.
 
fuelair said:
Cowardice in the line of duty I would think. Means he would likely fail also if he was supposed to back up another officer in the line of duty.
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Most likely.

Not everyone is cut out to be a police officer - there's no shame in it. But in the middle of that situation when lives hinge on your decisions is really the wrong time to find out you aren't.
 
Great to have a scapegoat, isn't it. Means you don't have to talk about the guns.
 
There is no doubt in my mind that the lack of gruesome victim shots of gun violence have helped the pro-gun lobby maintain their support, just like the lack of pictures of dead and wounded soldiers has helped to continue fighting abroad.
 
Since armed cops at schools are clearly there, at least in part, to deal with mass shootings and mass shootings invariably mean weapons like AR15s, it does seem odd they are only equipped with a handgun.

There needs to be study to determine if armed guards at premises (schools, workplaces, anywhere) do help prevent mass shootings, or reduce the casualty count.
 
Let's face reality

US schools should have manned guard towers

Preferrably only one entry/exit point and any visitors should only have contact through thickened glass screens
 
cullennz said:
Let's face reality

US schools should have manned guard towers

Preferrably only one entry/exit point and any visitors should only have contact through thickened glass screens
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Free membership of the NRA awaits you (no further discounts available).
 
Nessie said:
cullennz said:
Let's face reality

US schools should have manned guard towers

Preferrably only one entry/exit point and any visitors should only have contact through thickened glass screens
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Free membership of the NRA awaits you (no further discounts available).
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Not now various companies have cut their sponsorship ties with the NRA.



fuelair said:
jimbob said:
And you know that the shooter outguns you so you might be able to hit them at a classroom length, whilst they could easily hit you from the other end of the building.
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shoot first OR throw a distinct distractive item and shoot when he rises fully again. Normal school classroom distance is not a biggie, college class might be - and may well have more students in it.
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That might be the case for a forwarned teacher in their classroom who is staying in their classroom.

Even Trump wasn't advocating that all teachers were armed, only a proportion of them. What about the other teachers? Do they take their kids to the classroom of the nearest "designated firearms responder" when a shooting incident takes place, or do they lock themselves in their classrooms? If the former, then that would be chaotic, and a shooter could probably take advantage of that to have everyone in one room. If the former, any shooters that are familiar with the school, would probably have a fairly good idea which teachers would be likely to be the "designated firearms responders" so they could avoid their classrooms.

Maybe the armed teachers form a posse and leave their kids locked in the classroom with no adults?​


However that is not the case for a cop with a handgun entering the building when they know that there is a maniac with a semiautomatic rifle already in there.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Right.

I want pictures of AR-15 gunshot wounds all over the media.
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I don't think this is a bad idea. Splash pictures of dead kids all over the news, right alongside pictures of an armed sheriff's deputy outside, all but shouting "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help... but I won't."

And no, I don't really blame him. You can't know how you'll respond in such a situation until it faces you. But it does rip to shreds the asinine argument that I should surrender the responsibility for my self defense to someone who has no vested interest in my survival.
 
School massacres will keep going, no matter what laws are passed to do with guns, because there are so many guns in the USA that homicidal kids will be able to get one somewhere.

New gun laws are the equivalent of bolting the stable door, years after all the horses had ran away, bred and formed huge herds, protected by people who will fight to their last breath to look after and hide them.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
There is no doubt in my mind that the lack of gruesome victim shots of gun violence have helped the pro-gun lobby maintain their support, just like the lack of pictures of dead and wounded soldiers has helped to continue fighting abroad.
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I just read a report by one of the first responders, not graphic but still chilling. So far I have not heard any of the students report what they saw but I think it will only be a short time before we hear many of the details.
 
alfaniner said:
I just read a report by one of the first responders, not graphic but still chilling. So far I have not heard any of the students report what they saw but I think it will only be a short time before we hear many of the details.
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Has anyone published the Broward County Sheriff's Office (BSO) policy and training documents that would apply to this sort of event? Do such things even exist? After the Fort Lauderdale Airport shooting it seems like there should have been some sort of departmental policy developed, even if nothing existed prior to that.

It would be nice to know what Deputy Peterson's training and instructions from his department prior to the shooting actually were, instead of pondering on what they should have been and what other LEO organizations have done.
 
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Florida official calls for sheriff's removal over handling of shooting

A Florida state representative is calling on Gov. Rick Scott to remove Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel from his post for his deputies' "incomprehensible inaction" during the high school massacre.

"An investigation into the incomprehensible inaction of these deputies by Sheriff Israel will do nothing to bring back the 17 victims," Bill Hager said in a letter to the governor, referring to the students and teachers confessed shooter, Nikolas Cruz, killed.

"The Sheriff was or should have been aware of the threat Cruz presented to his community and chose to ignore it."
In his letter, Hager cites Florida statute 112.52, which he says gives Scott "removal authority for neglect of duty and incompetence."..
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/25/us/florida-school-shooting/index.html
 
MikeG said:
Great to have a scapegoat, isn't it. Means you don't have to talk about the guns.
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Yep.

Like I said last night, instead of complaining about how the guy(s) didn't do their job, why not acknowledge that it shows how even people trained to handle weapons can't handle this type of a situation?
 
erlando said:
Why should that make a difference?
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Why SHOULD it make a difference? It shouldn't

Why DOESN'T it make a difference?

Because the "general public" is too passive to do anything about it. Call them numb to the issue or what, it doesn't matter.

It took the high schoolers to stand up, and they did it when THEY WERE THE VICTIMS. They had to do it, because no one else would.
 
William Parcher said:
Florida official calls for sheriff's removal over handling of shooting

""The Sheriff was or should have been aware of the threat Cruz presented to his community and chose to ignore it.""

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/25/us/florida-school-shooting/index.html
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Does the letter explain exactly what the Sheriff was supposed to have done to address the threat?

I keep hearing this "they knew he was a threat and didn't do anything about it." I want to know exactly what should have been done that wasn't. Oh, by the way, what should have been done LEGALLY. No "they should have raided his home and confiscated his weapons" or "they should have locked him up" nonsense.
 
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