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Civet said:
It seems strange to me. Normally I'm not too judgmental of a person's response to grief or tragedy, but this is an unreasonable imposition. I can understand that the survivors and their close friends and family might not ever want to see the inside of that structure again and I think the school system should accommodate that on request, but tearing the building down seems a pointless gesture to me.
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Has anything similar been done with the sites of other school shootings?
 
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The guy who did this was obviously mentally ill, and shouldn't have had access to firearms, but he did. I would like to think it was just an oversight that he was able to to purchase these weapons. Police were called to his house multiple times, and he was obviously a menace. How somebody could know this information about him and let him purchase weapons is insane.

There's a lot of good points being made here. Some countries reacted differently to school shootings, that's for sure. More restrictions were put in place, and guns were outlawed entirely. People are very individualistic here, and love their shiny objects that fire projectiles. In other countries, it seems the greater good is more important. A line needs to be drawn on what is, and what isn't legal to own, but it's not going to be an easy battle to fight. I thought right wing terrorism was a thing of the past, but there does seem to be a resurgence. David Koresh had an impressive arsenal in 1993, and it stands to reason that there are people in America with bigger and more impressive ones 25 years later.
 
Brainster said:
Anybody else find this incredibly stupid?

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In another article, it was mentioned that the building was constructed in 2009, so it's unlikely to be functionally obsolete.

Look, the building did nothing. A couple of fresh coats of paint will get rid of the blood spatters on the wall. Yes, I am sure that it will be difficult for students and teachers to enter the building again. I suspect strongly it will be difficult for them to go back to any of the buildings in the school.
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It's the perfect symbolic gesture. What do you expect them to do -- regulate guns?

I think Columbine revamped its library (maybe into staff space). When I slipped on a basketball and dislocated my knee, my cousins popped the ball. It doesn't make any sense, but we're just glorified apes.
 
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zooterkin said:
Just about all pistols, single-shot, revolver or semi-automatic, were banned after Dunblane. The main exceptions are muzzle loading pistols, and pistols with a barrel over a foot long and overall length greater than two feet. The GB Olympic pistol shooting team cannot practice in the UK.
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Please name the Olympic disciplines that involve firearms that are illegal in the UK.

There is plenty of British shooting and training for Olympic events in the UK, as shown here;

http://britishshooting.org.uk/
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Has anything similar been done with the sites of other school shootings?
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Sandy Hook was demolished. Columbine underwent a very large remodel, the site of most of the deaths (which was the library) is now an open area that serves as a sort of a student lounge and memorial.
 
Nessie said:
When the Dunblane Primary School shooting took place, the entire of Scotland demanded action. The whole country felt that is was their children who had been killed and all united in grief. Even the gun owners.

That is completely unlike the USA, where only a portion of the population demands action after a mass shooting. Listening to the relatives of the kids killed in Florida, who are demanding improved gun control, I wonder if they were so vocal when it was the kids of Columbine or Sandy Hook who were killed?
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Dunblane counts as one of the most chilling pieces of news I ever heard. I recall I was lunching in a bar in Euston Station, when I caught the 'developing news'.

I think there is a now a strong element of mass murderers craving notoriety: suddenly they are 'somebody' and everybody is clamouring to find out everything about them.

Punishment doesn't work, as they are mostly suicide cases, anyway.
 
Brainster said:
Anybody else find this incredibly stupid?



And get the pricetag:



In another article, it was mentioned that the building was constructed in 2009, so it's unlikely to be functionally obsolete.

Look, the building did nothing. A couple of fresh coats of paint will get rid of the blood spatters on the wall. Yes, I am sure that it will be difficult for students and teachers to enter the building again. I suspect strongly it will be difficult for them to go back to any of the buildings in the school.
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Quite a few of those pupils will have a phobia about ever stepping foot in that hallway again.
 
JM85 said:
Police were called to his house multiple times, and he was obviously a menace. How somebody could know this information about him and let him purchase weapons is insane.
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Police were called to his house 39 times. But CNN says that many of those visits did not result in any paperwork. On one visit his mother spoke to the cop and rattled off a list of his mental disorders. It included depression, obsessive compulsive and attention deficits.

Now I can't find that CNN article from yesterday. Somebody help me. The title was specific about police visiting 39 times. The article mentioned all the various reasons that they came.
 
Vixen said:
Quite a few of those pupils will have a phobia about ever stepping foot in that hallway again.
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Some may now have trouble with any enclosed crowded spaces. "I want no walls anywhere so that I can always see everyone and everything. And I want it totally open so that I can just run run run run in an instant."
 
William Parcher said:
Police were called to his house 39 times. But CNN says that many of those visits did not result in any paperwork. On one visit his mother spoke to the cop and rattled off a list of his mental disorders. It included depression, obsessive compulsive and attention deficits.
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Oh ok. So nothing was in his record about these visits. Something must have come up in the background check about the details of his expulsion. Another complicating factor in all this.
 
To (heavily) paraphrase a good article upthread: suggesting specific legislation on certain gun types, or access to guns for certain types of people, is to entirely miss the point. What America needs is to to lose its love of guns.

Tricky.
 
JM85 said:
Oh ok. So nothing was in his record about these visits. Something must have come up in the background check about the details of his expulsion. Another complicating factor in all this.
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I also read somewhere that the details of his school problems and discipline were not reported to the police. One of the major things that got him expelled was showing up at school with bullets in his backpack. Police weren't told about that.

I can't say that these things are confirmed but I read them days ago.
 
Brainster said:
Anybody else find this incredibly stupid?



And get the pricetag:



In another article, it was mentioned that the building was constructed in 2009, so it's unlikely to be functionally obsolete.

Look, the building did nothing. A couple of fresh coats of paint will get rid of the blood spatters on the wall. Yes, I am sure that it will be difficult for students and teachers to enter the building again. I suspect strongly it will be difficult for them to go back to any of the buildings in the school.
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For once I agree with you. Wasting all that money because the space where the deaths occurred will bother people.

New paint, maybe new drywall, and a memorial. It's stupid to tear these buildings down.
 
MikeG said:
Could you explain to me (indeed, to the world) why you can't buy a beer in the USA until you are 21, but you can buy a machine gun as a teenager?
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You are comparing legally buying beer to legally buying a machine gun? It's easy to find alcohol related deaths involving teenagers and beer. You won't find a single machine gun related death involving a teenager who owned a registered machine gun in the USA.

An 18 year old can buy a machine gun in a private sale here in the USA; the BATFE has to authorize the transfer though. A person has to be 21 to buy from a licensed dealer.
 
Civet said:
It seems strange to me. Normally I'm not too judgmental of a person's response to grief or tragedy, but this is an unreasonable imposition. I can understand that the survivors and their close friends and family might not ever want to see the inside of that structure again and I think the school system should accommodate that on request, but tearing the building down seems a pointless gesture to me.
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The families affected seem to want something done about firearms law
 
Parsman said:
.... Guns make it much easier to kill far more people. You don't like that, I get it. But it is a fact.
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Of course I don't like it. No one does. What are you getting at?
 
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