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3point14 said:
But what problems? You've described the end point, how does a 19 year old get to the point where he has so many problems he has to solve them all at once at many feet per second?

This man is 19 and has decided that the biggest impact he can make on the world is to end as many lives as possible, solving, as you say, all his problems John Wayne style. My question is why?

What does it say about his view of his prospects for the rest of his life in the land of the free and the home of the brave where anyone can grow up to be president if he thought his best option was to go out in blaze of glory at the age of 19?
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I'm absolutely certain that you know this, but the position of most people in other parts of the world is that you address mental health issues while at the same time put in place policies which keep deadly firearms highly restricted.
 
lionking said:
I'm absolutely certain that you know this, but the position of most people in other parts of the world is that you address mental health issues while at the same time put in place policies which keep deadly firearms highly restricted.
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Amen. How did America let it get into the state where a teenager with mental health problems can get hold of a semi-automatic rifle? It's a good job he didn't have a bump stock too.
 
lionking said:
I'm absolutely certain that you know this, but the position of most people in other parts of the world is that you address mental health issues while at the same time put in place policies which keep deadly firearms highly restricted.
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In the US, it seems neither of these are being done to great effect. Given that the latter is utterly impossible, I would think that focusing on the former might have some benefit - accepting that what we achieve here by our discussions tends towards zero. (but at least I learn stuff)


EDIT: Is it confirmed that he had mental health problems? I haven't seen that bit yet.
 
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The American tradition of an unhappy pupil to school, college or university with a gun and shooting goes back to the 12th November 1840.

By 1867 there were now multiple annual shootings, with three that year. The first mass shooting (four or more dead) was in 1893 with four dead. That record was broken in 1898 with 6 dead.

After 1903 it is rare to have had no school shootings in a year (1921 was one) and 1945 is the last time a year went by with no school shoots at all.

In 1966 the first large scale mass shooting took place, at the University of Texas, with 17 dead and 31 injured. The first large scale school pupil on school pupil shooting was in 1999 at Columbine with 15 dead and 21 injured.

In 2012, 28 primary school children were shot dead. The American reaction, taking the nation as a whole, well it was to spend as much time claiming it was faked as spend time on constructive action to prevent any more shootings.

With that the USA had clearly surrendered itself to repeated school shootings and nothing is off limits.

So as to preserve gun culture in the USA, nothing has happened to stop the historic rise of school shootings, such that they are now an accepted part of life.

Get used to it. Claim the Florida shooting is a black ops and spend hours pretending it is a fake. That is one way to cope with the deaths.
 
William Parcher said:
I think that it's mental illness or insanity. These mass and spree killers seem to be insane people. I want to say they are "loose" like a dangerous animal outside of a cage and living amongst normal people.

Guns have always been common and easy to get in America. Always. But something has changed here in my lifetime. It wasn't like this before. We have so many shootings now and we have these mass shootings and school shootings with some regularity. It wasn't like this before.

It's as if people want to kill and do kill with much greater prevalence here now. There is too much of this mental sickness in America. I don't like what I have seen happen to my country. It seems to have become infested with killers and I don't know how or why it happened.
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We have plenty of mental illness in Europe, but hey! Number of school shootings for the year to date: ZERO.
 
There is one coping strategy, which was developed regarding Sandy Hook. Its all OK, this shooting is faked;

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/14/us/florida-high-school-shooting/index.html

with actors and it is part of a black ops. Alex Jones is right, these shootings are faked, look at Sandy Hook, faked, no children died, it is all OK;

http://www.newsweek.com/alex-jones-megyn-kelly-sandy-hook-infowars-627129

There is nothing to worry about, cope with the school shootings, nothing needs to be done about them, because they are faked.
 
MikeG said:
Then you're not paying attention.

Why does this only happen in America? Could it be that every other country which has acts of violence reacts by reducing the availability of weapons, and that that works? It seems insane to not even give it a try when you have slaughter on the scale happening in America.
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Because it is this kind of go get them spirit that makes america great!

We might not be the best in things like science, education, health but killing that is what america is best at. So we go with our strengths.
 
Back when I was I high school in the late 70's early 80's we brought gu s to school for Hunter safety classes. There were also many filled gun racks in the parking lot at all times.

I am about 30 miles east of Rochester, NY. We had fights in school that ended when somebody was down with no serious injuries. We had larger fights on rare occasions with rival schools that ended without life threatening injuries.

Never once were guns involved and there were a lot of guns available.

I don't believe guns are the issue. Society is very sick today if children have no problem shooting up their school mates without remorse.
 
US Senator Chris Murphy tells the Senate that he has found school mass shootings only happen in the USA and there are lots of them every month. He thinks something should be done about it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-43067114/sandy-hook-senator-this-happens-nowhere-else

He is the senator for Connecticut where Sandy Hook took place back in 2012. Murphy became Senator in 2013.

That is evidence NOTHING can be done and the best way to deal with the shootings is to learn to cope. Claim they are faked, shrug them off, cuddle your AR15, know the chances of your kid being shot at school is still tiny.
 
baron said:
I might be wrong on this, but a quick check seems to suggest that outside of war zones, the US has the worst record for school shootings of any country in the world.
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I have not really followed any of the "gun" threads and don't know that much about this, but what Baron says sounds very likely.
Guns and their availability are obviously part of the problem but I don't think they can explain such high figures.
It seems as if there are more kids in the US that want to go on killing sprees at school than in other countries, is this true? If so, why would that possibly be the case?
 
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Wolrab said:
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I don't believe guns are the issue. Society is very sick today if children have no problem shooting up their school mates without remorse.
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The ease at which children can get guns and tons of ammo is the issue. No other country in the world has a situation where kids with murderous intent have such easy access to guns. The USA is sick in that it cannot galvanise society to act together and for some to make sacrifices regarding guns, which is what is required to reduce the instance of mass shooting.

The guns and the kids and society is the issue. To ignore one part is one of the multiple reasons why the USA cannot ever stop this situation.
 
Cheetah said:
I have not really followed any of the "gun" threads and don't know that much about this, but what Baron says sounds very likely.
Guns and their availability are obviously part of the problem but I don't think they can explain such high figures?
It seems as if there are more kids in the US that want to go on killing sprees at school than in other countries, is this true? If so, why would that possibly be the case?
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Its because they can. No other country has a lack of control such that kids can easily get guns and tons of ammo. The kids of the UK can have all the murderous intent they want, but they cannot get the guns.
 
Cheetah said:
.......It seems as if there are more kids in the US that want to go on killing sprees at school than in other countries, is this true? If so, why would that possibly be the case?
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Because of the history....nay tradition..........of kids doing this, as outlined previously. It's become part of the culture, and has been for nearly a century. Obviously, the inertia in America is such that few believe that anything can be done about this culture. What is unbelievable isn't that people think that nothing can be done, but that people think nothing should be done. That's unforgivable.
 
If guns are the issue, why didn't we have this problem 40 years ago? Guns were just as available then.
Guns were the same back then but they weren't used to kill classmates.
 
Has Trump stuck his oar in yet? He's fast enough to demand action when an immigrant steps out of line. No doubt he'll send thoughts and prayers, which will, of course, solve the problem instantly.
 
Wolrab said:
I don't believe guns are the issue. Society is very sick today if children have no problem shooting up their school mates without remorse.
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What is it with the idea that we can talk about "the" issue.

There are lots of issues. Yes, society is sick. It is possible for people to drift through life with little or no connection to the human beings around us. That's sick. Oh, and by the way, while we are floating around with no connection to each other, it's really easy to buy lots of guns and ammo.
 
MikeG said:
Because of the history....nay tradition..........of kids doing this, as outlined previously. It's become part of the culture, and has been for nearly a century. Obviously, the inertia in America is such that few believe that anything can be done about this culture. What is unbelievable isn't that people think that nothing can be done, but that people think nothing should be done. That's unforgivable.
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Whether guns were a problem 40 years ago is moot. The point is they're a problem NOW, and until America faces up to that, there will be more school shootings.
 
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