Cont: School shooting Florida - pt 2

Aridas said:
This is somewhat tangential, but... arming 3 year olds is a great idea, right?

Sacha Baron Cohen and a bunch of Republicans, including Congresspeople, talk on the subject.
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Nessie said:
The ease at which those people agree it is a good idea to arm children, is more evidence that too many Americans really do think the gun is the answer, not the problem.
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Already a thread on this

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=330792
 
Arizona Senate candidate who killed his mother supports 'good guys' with guns

Wilson, one of two Republican candidates who attended the July 9 meeting, took the mic and told a story of how he shot and killed a crazed attacker in an act of self-defense while a teenager.

That attacker, it turned out, was his mother.

He was charged with the murder of his mother and sister, and soon after his arrest he confessed to those charges. He later recanted his confession and claimed he had amnesia about the events of the night in question.

He said his life story illustrates the importance of having "a good guy there with a gun" rather than gun-control legislation.

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news...senate-candidate-killed-his-mother/790288002/
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Arizona Senate candidate who killed his mother supports 'good guys' with guns

Wilson, one of two Republican candidates who attended the July 9 meeting, took the mic and told a story of how he shot and killed a crazed attacker in an act of self-defense while a teenager.

That attacker, it turned out, was his mother.

He was charged with the murder of his mother and sister, and soon after his arrest he confessed to those charges. He later recanted his confession and claimed he had amnesia about the events of the night in question.

He said his life story illustrates the importance of having "a good guy there with a gun" rather than gun-control legislation.

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news...senate-candidate-killed-his-mother/790288002/
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That is the most bizarre story I've heard in quite some time.
 
Shot his mother through the eye, smashed his sister's skull, burned the house down and buried the rifle.
 
The Stoneman-Douglas shooting resulted in a many younger people getting involved with gun control - the "Never Again" movement is very strongly youth focused, for example. March for Out Lives (the marches that occurred this past spring) and Never Again are closely connected.

They had a rally (March on the NRA) planned here in Denver, on this upcoming Saturday. Then this happened:

Threats cause student activists to reconsider Denver March on NRA this Saturday

“We’ve had some bumps in the road,” Mikaela Lawrence, an incoming senior at Columbine High School said Tuesday before students decided the threats were too serious to ignore. “Just normal stuff like threats, but I think we’re going to be OK.”
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Not clear from the article if the threat quoted in the article was the only threat or not.
 
crescent said:
The Stoneman-Douglas shooting resulted in a many younger people getting involved with gun control - the "Never Again" movement is very strongly youth focused, for example. March for Out Lives (the marches that occurred this past spring) and Never Again are closely connected.

They had a rally (March on the NRA) planned here in Denver, on this upcoming Saturday. Then this happened:

Threats cause student activists to reconsider Denver March on NRA this Saturday

“We’ve had some bumps in the road,” Mikaela Lawrence, an incoming senior at Columbine High School said Tuesday before students decided the threats were too serious to ignore. “Just normal stuff like threats, but I think we’re going to be OK.”
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Not clear from the article if the threat quoted in the article was the only threat or not.
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The saddest thing about that is a high school senior casually saying something like, “Just normal stuff like threats,".
 
An update already: The march is still on:

“We will not be bullied into fear”: Denver’s March on NRA protest will continue Saturday, student activist says

Denver’s March on the NRA protest organized by students is still planned for Saturday afternoon despite a group of young activists pulling out because of violent threats they received.

The local gun-control advocacy group Students Demand Action pulled their affiliation with the protest Wednesday night after a Tuesday night discussion about how to handle online violent threats the teens were receiving.

Ethan Somers, an 18-year-old activist from Evergreen, wanted to assure the community that the protest will continue.

“Every time we plan to stand up for students there is always a group or someone who thinks it is OK to threaten innocent lives,” Somers wrote in a statement. “There were talks of what do we do for all scenarios and one was to cancel the march/rally, however we will not be bullied into fear.”
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I looks as if one of the organizing groups has pulled out, but the remaining groups are still going forward.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Louis CK has decided that the way to come back after admitting to being a serial sexual assaulter is to mock Parkland survivors, as well as LGBT+ people, and children with developmental disabilities
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I guess since being a sexual predator lost him the young-liberal crowd he previously tried to pander to, he's decided to try out the MAGA set. If anything, those folks have demonstrated repeatedly that as long as you say things they like they'll stick by you literally no matter what.
 
Bump.

Deputy Scot Petersen charged with 11 counts of child neglect, culpable negligence and perjury.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/us/parkland-scot-peterson.html

“I have no comment except to say rot in hell,” Fred Guttenberg, who emerged as an outspoken gun control activist after his daughter, Jaime, died in the attack, wrote on Twitter. “You could have saved some of the 17,” Mr. Guttenberg added, addressing Mr. Peterson. “You could have saved my daughter. You did not and then you lied about it and you deserve the misery coming your way.”
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Well said, Mr Guttenberg.
 
AJM8125 said:
Bump.

Deputy Scot Petersen charged with 11 counts of child neglect, culpable negligence and perjury.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/us/parkland-scot-peterson.html



Well said, Mr Guttenberg.
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This will be a very important court case. Previous cases have established that an individual LEO has no responsibility to protect an individual; this may be reversing this decision.

The choice of charges are also interesting; child neglect, clearly laws differ from state to state but I wonder if the intent was to put a responsibility on someone who was not in loco parentis to protect a child. In general there is not a requirement for you to risk your life to protect others even children and this is true for LEO. This could have broad consequences and I can see this being appealed, the police unions will be very concerned (as should others). The culpable negligence again seems to extend a duty to respond that did not previously exist and it is unclear in what way this will be limited to LEO, it could extend to other emergency services and responders. The perjury seems more cut and dried.

I imagine in the American system this is just an opening bid from the prosecution and it will be reduced in the process of a plea deal. If the case does not actually get tried then it will not set any precedents.

I can't help thinking there is an element of scapegoating and that there is a failure of command responsibility.
 
This article makes the case better than I can for the 'dangerous' precedent this case my set.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us...l-shooting&link_location=live-reporting-story
There is a truism that difficult cases make bad law. This is perhaps an example. It may be politically expedient to bring charges against the officer concerned, but distorting the intent of a law to persecute (and prosecute) one individual whose behaviour is disapproved of is a form of lynch law.
 
Planigale said:
This article makes the case better than I can for the 'dangerous' precedent this case my set.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us...l-shooting&link_location=live-reporting-story
There is a truism that difficult cases make bad law. This is perhaps an example. It may be politically expedient to bring charges against the officer concerned, but distorting the intent of a law to persecute (and prosecute) one individual whose behaviour is disapproved of is a form of lynch law.
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Seems exceedingly unlikely that these criminal neglect charges will be successful. The laws weren't written for these kinds of scenarios. A cop refusing to risk his own life to save a child from a gunman is not analogous to someone who endangers a child through neglect.

This cop's cowardice is a tragedy, but not a criminal matter. Stretching the law in order to express moral outrage is not a good idea.
 
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