Saudi journalist disappears in embassy, believed murdered

[Darat]

Trump: "It was carried out poorly"

what the hell is that supposed to mean?

They were caught.

 

[Arcade22]

Trump: "It was carried out poorly"

what the hell is that supposed to mean?

They should have murdered he more discretely.

 

[Eddie Dane]

In another stellar PR move, our beloved crown prince has shaken hands with Khashoggi's son. Who isn't allowed to leave the country.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/wor...audi-journalist-jamal-khashoggi-a3969231.html

The report that the remains have been found in the garden of the Saudi consul are as yet unconfirmed.

There are rumours that the Crown Prince watched the murder via Skype and that Turkey has intercepted this communication. If that turns out to be true, we will have had the privilege of observing truly historical levels of stupid.

 

[Eddie Dane]

"...but we're still going to sell them billions of dollars worth of guns, tanks and rockets. Because what could go wrong?"

Imagine one of those Wahabist/ISIS like groups toppling the royals and then having access to all those toys.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

There is an argument to be made for selling precision-guided weapons to Saudi Arabia instead of having Russia sell them barrel-bombs.
Of course, there is an even better argument to be made to lean on Saudi Arabia not to fight Jemen in the first place.

 

[ponderingturtle]

There is an argument to be made for selling precision-guided weapons to Saudi Arabia instead of having Russia sell them barrel-bombs.
Of course, there is an even better argument to be made to lean on Saudi Arabia not to fight Jemen in the first place.

Yep when they blow up a school bus full of terrorist toddlers they only blow up the school bus.

 

[Eddie Dane]

Yep when they blow up a school bus full of terrorist toddlers they only blow up the school bus.

That argument is not without merit.
Those weapons were developed to limit ‘collattaral damage’, manufactureres that can’t do the percision-thing, usually compensate with a bigger bang and thus more civilian caualties. Look up Tsar Bomba for a fun example.

Of course, when you put those things in the hands of people who’s intention it is to cause civilian casualties, that advantage becomes a bit of an irrelevancy.




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[TofuFighter]

Probably cut off his own limbs when trying to do up his coat, the zip must have got stuck, could happen to anyone.

He's had worse. Tis but a flesh wound.

 

[Information Analyst]

Or an accident?

Like when the Archbishop of Canterbury fell backwards on to the spire of Norwich Cathedral, or the one that was killed by a falling gargoyle while swimming of Beachy Head.

Stranger things have happened. That horse becoming Pope...

 

[arthwollipot]

That argument is not without merit.
Those weapons were developed to limit ‘collattaral damage’, manufactureres that can’t do the percision-thing, usually compensate with a bigger bang and thus more civilian caualties. Look up Tsar Bomba for a fun example.

Tsar Bomba was a thermonuclear weapon, and an experimental one at that. It's kind of in a different category.

 

[shemp]

Tsar Bomba was a thermonuclear weapon, and an experimental one at that. It's kind of in a different category.

Yeah, but you only need one and the war is over!

 

[Venom]

Yeah, but you only need one and the war is over!

Before it's begun.

 

[a_unique_person]

I can't believe that this one slip-up in a sea of misdeeds is what does their international standing in. Public opinion is a weird beast.

Another weird thing: I read that the Saudis mostly stockpile those weapons. They don't dare to arm their military too well. Soldiers even have little or no ammunition, just in case they get ideas.

I was wondering about that too. Killing innocent people seems to be a regular event.

 

[Darat]

I was wondering about that too. Killing innocent people seems to be a regular event.

It does seem like there is a tipping point and that individual point may be quite small in the scale of the issues.

 

[Eddie Dane]

I'm getting sponsored tweets in my timeline of Mohamed Bone Saw meeting with international business leaders.
Seems like the massive economic summit has been replaced by a photo opportunity and a social media campaign.

The reactions to the Tweets are overwhelmingly negative.

 

[Eddie Dane]

Tsar Bomba was a thermonuclear weapon, and an experimental one at that. It's kind of in a different category.

True. Bad example. But it is the most extreme example of Russia compensating precision with firepower. Vacuum bombs are another.

 

[jimbob]

It does seem like there is a tipping point and that individual point may be quite small in the scale of the issues.

Elsewhere - maybe in this thread, even, someone mentioned Stalin's quote that a single death is a tragedy, a million are a statistic.

I think that is the case- I can't emotionally comprehend potentially causing a famine affecting 13-million people, but I can get the idea of someone going into an embassy to so that he can get the paperwork to marry his sweetheart and ending up tortured to death. It's a powerful story of the state betraying an individual.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Elsewhere - maybe in this thread, even, someone mentioned Stalin's quote that a single death is a tragedy, a million are a statistic.

I think that is the case- I can't emotionally comprehend potentially causing a famine affecting 13-million people, but I can get the idea of someone going into an embassy to so that he can get the paperwork to marry his sweetheart and ending up tortured to death. It's a powerful story of the state betraying an individual.

Yes, that's a valid argument, but in our states which call themselves democracies, in which in theory the media plays an important role in informing the citizen so they are capable of making informed decisions, the fact that the slaughter in Yemen has been going on for so long without any "outrage campaign" is very sad and telling. For debatable reasons, it is NOT enough to follow the "serious" media in our countries to make one outraged about the things most worthy of outrage. And knowing that brings responsibility.

 

[Belgian thought]

Yes, that's a valid argument, but in our states which call themselves democracies, in which in theory the media plays an important role in informing the citizen so they are capable of making informed decisions, the fact that the slaughter in Yemen has been going on for so long without any "outrage campaign" is very sad and telling. For debatable reasons, it is NOT enough to follow the "serious" media in our countries to make one outraged about the things most worthy of outrage. And knowing that brings responsibility.

Refugees not having access to Europe plays a role sadly. It is a problem in their (ME) back yard.

Very late ETA: In the early 80s while I was at University, there came a guest speaker, I was studying Business and Economics. Sadly, I do not remember his name, but his lecture has stayed with me.

In it, he predicted the fall of the wall and the Soviet Empire and that the next “enemy” would be Islam.

Not only that, and perhaps scarier, he added that water resources would be the next conflict. Global warming was already being taken into Macroeconomic modelling.

He added that the Middle East will become a war zone so that land crossing to the North will be a “no no”.

Still freaks me out today.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Refugees not having access to Europe plays a role sadly. It is a problem in their (ME) back yard.

"Their" backyard was created by "us" through very sober means of fire power, and "Saudi Arabia" - remember this is a name like "Trump America" - is a side creation of "The West" creating Israel. It is a total puppet and maybe it's its time to go giving the state of the energy market, but nobody will get out of it looking pretty.