Same-sex marriage

[toddjh]

Yes, terms need to be defined. I'd define cheating on your spouse as "Having intercourse while married and not separated." And throw oral sex in there too if you want.

So it wouldn't make any difference to you if it was an open relationship? I wouldn't consider it "cheating" if my spouse said "Have fun! Oh, and pick up some milk and eggs on the way back."

Jeremy

 

[LostAngeles]

I have to agree there, too. Sometimes it's hard enough finding one person who wants to have sex with you...

Jeremy

Yeah, especially when you're totally smooth and you've been laying it down all sexy like and then you actually looking into the eyes and you've realized that you just shot you down and there will be no masturbation tonight for you, my fine friend.

Open relationships aren't really cheating because well, the rules of that say you can go boink others. In monogamy, the rules say you can't, so it is in fact cheating.

 

[toddjh]

Yeah, especially when you're totally smooth and you've been laying it down all sexy like and then you actually looking into the eyes and you've realized that you just shot you down and there will be no masturbation tonight for you, my fine friend.

I've never shot myself down. Does that mean I'm irresistible, or just a slut?

Open relationships aren't really cheating because well, the rules of that say you can go boink others. In monogamy, the rules say you can't, so it is in fact cheating.

Well, that was my point. Sometimes the way questions are phrased ignores this possibility, and sometimes it doesn't. As a result, surveys might report somewhat different numbers even though they claim to be talking about the same thing.

Jeremy

 

[Number Six]

So it wouldn't make any difference to you if it was an open relationship? I wouldn't consider it "cheating" if my spouse said "Have fun! Oh, and pick up some milk and eggs on the way back."

Jeremy

If there was a marriage where it was understood by both parties that having sex outside of it was allowed then I wouldn't consider outside sex to be cheating. Then again I don't think such relationships should be included in the denominator when determining the percentage of marriages that involve cheating.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Mariah

But whether the statistics are that high or not, I find it laughable, laughable, I tell you, for heterosexual people, of which I am one--and a happily married one for 29 years--to crusade against same-sex marriage because it will erode the sanctity of marriage.

Why? Same-sex partners are alien to the concept of marriage. How is it "laughable" to be distressed by the traditional concept of marriage being obliterated?

tkingdoll

Laughable? I could cry! The argument against same-sex marriage is beyond illogical, it's just plain ignorant.

"The" argument? There's only one? I agree that many arguments are based on ignorance, but it's rather closeminded to attribute all opposition to "ignorance".

Those numbers don't add up. Only 8 percent would cheat, but 41 percent actually did?

Perhaps the other 33% have, you know, changed. They're different people now, and they've put that behind them. You really need to stop holding this over them, they've learned from it and they don't do that anymore.

I've never shot myself down. Does that mean I'm irresistible, or just a slut?

Are you sure you've never shot yourself donw? Maybe there's been some times when you've said no, but you didn't listen? Ever gotten yourself drunk to get yourself to agree?

Then again I don't think such relationships should be included in the denominator when determining the percentage of marriages that involve cheating.

Yeah, I don't think that's what people mean by "married" in this context.

 

[Darat]

MariahWhy? Same-sex partners are alien to the concept of marriage. How is it "laughable" to be distressed by the traditional concept of marriage being obliterated?

...snip...

Surely you support the “obliteration” of the traditional concepts behind marriage that has been happening over the decades? E.g it being about property and inheritance rights so we no longer find women being forced into marriage, women not being owned by the man, the man no longer being able to legally enforce his decisions on the woman, any property the woman owned previous to marriage becoming the mans and so on? I personally think it is good that these traditional values and concepts have been either obliterated or diluted to be no more then quaint customs.

(Edited promptly.)

 

[Darat]

Not quite the same as the infidelity figure but a recent report shows that "Up to one in 25 dads could unknowingly be raising another man's child…". (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4137506.stm)

 

[Walter Wayne]

Those numbers don't add up. Only 8 percent would cheat, but 41 percent actually did? How does that work? And what are the odds that the people taking the survey were cheated on more than 66 percent more often than they cheated?

On the would you cheat, I suspect most people feel they won't cheat ever again. When there is no temptation around it is easy to be the saint.

The odd that more people are cheated on then cheat is pretty high if it is a case of a small number of unfaithful people cheating many partners.

Not that I think it is necessarily incredibly accurate, but the numbers don't seem odd to me.

Walt

 

[tkingdoll]

tkingdoll"The" argument? There's only one? I agree that many arguments are based on ignorance, but it's rather closeminded to attribute all opposition to "ignorance".

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You call someone closedminded for someone to use the word 'argument' in the same context as 'debate' and 'crusade'?

All of the anti-gay marriage argumentS I have heard are two things:

1) Anti-gay
2) Ignorant

Please let me know what the enlighted, informed anti-gay marriage arguments are.

 

[Mark]

For all the homophobes with their panties in a bunch over same sex marriage, I would like to quote Lewis Black:

"After 9/11, this something you're going to worry about?"

 

[Snide]

Priceless list, BP!

 

[Mariah]

Mark said:

For all the homophobes with their panties in a bunch over same sex marriage, I would like to quote Lewis Black:

"After 9/11, this something you're going to worry about?"

Mariah says:

Yes. It's all about the crotch, isn't it? It's all about sex. What is the nexus of the right wing religion thing but sex? I met two Mormon boys recently and they told me the first question they are always asked is "what about polygamy?" All about the crotch. The crotch must be the true seat of the soul.

 

[Mark]

All about the crotch. The crotch must be the true seat of the soul.

Only for men.

 

[Mariah]

quote:
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Originally posted by Mariah
All about the crotch. The crotch must be the true seat of the soul.
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Mark:

Only for men.

Mariah:

Ha! You are a riot! I started this thread because a WOMAN keeps calling hounding me to petition for a constitutional ban against gay marriage.

For all of us the crotch is our portal into this vale of tears.

 

[Mark]

...portal into this vale of tears.

"That's poetry, that is."---David St. Hubbins

 

[Mariah]

Mark, since you're a musician in Southern C, I'm sure you know about my musical career:

http://www.sherry-austin.com/

(I know I should have sent this in a private message since it's off topic, but I want everybody to know about Sherry Austin, the singer (which is not me.)

 

[pgwenthold]

Yes, terms need to be defined. I'd define cheating on your spouse as "Having intercourse while married and not separated." And throw oral sex in there too if you want.

I would have it much more expansive than this.

What about just regular hot-n-heavy makeout sessions, but no fondling? That's not cheating? Personally, I would include romantic relationships. And romance does not need to be sex.

I wouldn't go so far as including secret porn viewing, but many women in fact do.

This could be a case of, "I don't know the definition of pornography, but I recognize it when I download it from the internet..."

 

[Antiquehunter]

I would have it much more expansive than this.

What about just regular hot-n-heavy makeout sessions, but no fondling? That's not cheating? Personally, I would include romantic relationships. And romance does not need to be sex.

I wouldn't go so far as including secret porn viewing, but many women in fact do.

This could be a case of, "I don't know the definition of pornography, but I recognize it when I download it from the internet..."

We disagree. (My partner of 9 yrs and me) Actual sexual intercourse (penetration) is where we draw the line (including oral sex, and/or manual stimulation leading to orgasm).

We do not feel viewing pornography, watching an exotic dancer or recieving a lap dance (that doesn't include stimulation leading to orgasm) is in any way cheating.

Please define a "REGULAR" hot-n-heavy make out session. I'm not following. We're talking here about a periodic and repeated (regular) meeting that may involve sexual touching but not fondling of genitalia? I gotta tell you - someone tweaking my redundant male nipples on a regular basis is going to get a response that starts to look like cheating. 'regular' or otherwise

You say 'no fondling' - Does this include coitus interruptus? A blowjob not taken to orgasm? Frottage? Well, this is specific to each relationship isn't it. But as quoted above - what the hell IS exactly a hot'n'heavy makeout session without fondling? Lots of eyelash batting?

I agree with Number 6. Couples need to define quite specifically what is 'in' and what is 'out'. In my opinion, lots of issues and lots of relationship issues could be easily resolved through open and frank dialogue at the onset.

 

[pgwenthold]

We disagree. (My partner of 9 yrs and me) Actual sexual intercourse (penetration) is where we draw the line (including oral sex, and/or manual stimulation leading to orgasm).

We do not feel viewing pornography, watching an exotic dancer or recieving a lap dance (that doesn't include stimulation leading to orgasm) is in any way cheating.

Please define a "REGULAR" hot-n-heavy make out session. I'm not following. We're talking here about a periodic and repeated (regular) meeting that may involve sexual touching but not fondling of genitalia?

Is french kissing considered "sexual touching"?

How about making out in the back of a car?

I gotta tell you - someone tweaking my redundant male nipples on a regular basis is going to get a response that starts to look like cheating. 'regular' or otherwise

Someone tweaking your nipples is going to make you orgasm? That's what you defined as cheating, so I can only assume...

You say 'no fondling' - Does this include coitus interruptus?
A blowjob not taken to orgasm? Frottage? Well, this is specific to each relationship isn't it. But as quoted above - what the hell IS exactly a hot'n'heavy makeout session without fondling? Lots of eyelash batting?

Do you know what it means to "make out"? How about "suck face"? Can you really NOT make out heavily without getting to second base?

Just so I am straight, your wife will let you french kiss another woman as long as you keep your clothes on and don't touch each other's privates?

When you say, "cheating," exactly what do you think you are cheating on? Apparently you seem to think that you are cheating on your agreement to only have sex with each other. I tend to think that one is cheating on much more than just sexual rights.

 

[ceo_esq]

Next time they call and you get a person, ask for the person's name, the number from which they are calling, and the company they WORK FOR (not the organization they are CALLING for).

They are required to give you this information.

Ordinarily, yes. In this instance, quite possibly not. This type of call is clearly exempted from the definition of "telephone solicitation" under the FCC regs, so the solicitor identification provision of Subpart L does not apply. It's not even clear that this call would constitute telemarketing under the FTC's somewhat broader definition. That would mean that the only identification-related obligation would be not to conceal outgoing Caller ID data, and even there the calling company is allowed to substitute the name of the nonprofit for whom it is working.