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Salt in diet is a sneaky thing

A couple of weeks ago I saw for sale a tiny bottle that clips to your keyring or beltloop for the purpose of carrying hot sauce. I think it's a Huy Fong Sriracha brand.

And I know a guy who is a black pepper snob. He carries a tiny pepper mill in a shirt pocket so that he can have his own particular black pepper wherever he goes.

I would even imagine people as salt snobs carrying a little mill for their fancy pink Himalayan salt.

I used always to have a small (57ml) bottle of Tabasco about my person in case of blandness. At the time I was working away from home and staying in a hotel who happily gave me a couple of bottles a week.

When the liquid ban came in on flights I got out of the habit. Friends and colleagues who knew my back in the day still expect me to be "holding" ;)
 
... I wonder how it started given the historically high price of salt and pepper.

I don't have a reference for the following other than I think I learned it from Julia Child or the Frugal Gourmet.

Back before refrigeration salt was about the only way to preserve food without destroying the taste. So the choice was between having your food spoil so badly you couldn't safely eat it, using some technique that ruined its flavor or spending the money for salt.

Pepper was used to make lightly spoiled foods more palatable. Originally only wealthy people could afford the luxury of imported pepper, the lower classes just had to suck it up and eat the lightly spoiled food. As the price of pepper dropped everyone who could afford it bought pepper because often lightly spoiled food was all you could get to eat.

After hundreds of years it became ingrained in most peoples taste to want salt & pepper seasoning their food.
 
Pixel.........some foods are never salted, anywhere, in any circumstances. As I said, veggies, be they steamed, boiled or microwaved, aren't seasoned. If you know you like your veggies salted, it is a waste of time tasting them first, as you know full well that they won't be seasoned.

I disagree, I have found many veggies to be quite seasoned with salt.
 
I used always to have a small (57ml) bottle of Tabasco about my person in case of blandness. At the time I was working away from home and staying in a hotel who happily gave me a couple of bottles a week.

When the liquid ban came in on flights I got out of the habit. Friends and colleagues who knew my back in the day still expect me to be "holding" ;)
I hear ya. But the condiment snobbery is becoming specific. Restaurants and homes already have hot sauce but they might not have Huy Fong Sriracha or Tabasco. They will have black pepper but not that special Tellicherry.
 
I don't have a reference for the following other than I think I learned it from Julia Child or the Frugal Gourmet.

Back before refrigeration salt was about the only way to preserve food without destroying the taste. So the choice was between having your food spoil so badly you couldn't safely eat it, using some technique that ruined its flavor or spending the money for salt.

Pepper was used to make lightly spoiled foods more palatable. Originally only wealthy people could afford the luxury of imported pepper, the lower classes just had to suck it up and eat the lightly spoiled food. As the price of pepper dropped everyone who could afford it bought pepper because often lightly spoiled food was all you could get to eat.

After hundreds of years it became ingrained in most peoples taste to want salt & pepper seasoning their food.

On the culture and history of salt, Ive heard that this is a good book:

https://books.google.com/books/about/Salt.html?id=kK7ec92n5x8C
 
Not really, the question asked was a response to my statement that I had had the MSG syndrome prior to it's becoming known to any extent, then widely. My response was pointing out that I had no reason to have fallen for the "it's purely fake" Or that I was initially reacting to the widespread thing about it.

Neither was the actual case as brought up.

The question was do you react to other sources, or is it just Chinese food?

Does it happen with foods high in glutamic acid, such as tomatoes, mushrooms, fish sauce, hard, aged cheeses, etc? Or processed foods which don't list MSG, but use the same chemical and call it something else, such as yeast extract, hydrolyzed soy protein, and others?
 
Absolutely agree with you. In many of the higher quality/chef run restaurants I've been to, condiments are not present on the table. Requesting salt or pepper should be met with a scowl. Part of what you pay for is eating the food as the chef intended.

Most of my seasoning is done during cooking and rarely at the table unless I've messed something up. I cook mostly Asian at home and get plenty of salt/flavor from the various spices, soy, fish sauce, Magie seasoning, lime etc.
I bolded above for a point: not all people taste all things the same way - a number of things can affect taste for any person. Thus, if the effects of not adding items or adding items make the food taste better for the person eating same then there should be no persecution of that eater. This dies not in any way excuse catsup on a well cooked steak, nor does it excuse well-done!!!!!!!
 
Autocondimentors (great word) aren't being entirely illogical. If every carrot you've ever eaten tastes better to you with some salt, would it not make sense to pick up the salt pot when you are served a plate containing carrots? That's certainly my approach. There is no way I would put salt onto any form of mixed food (stews, fried rice, lasange, chilli con carne whatever.....) but if I have a meal of roast potatoes, veggies and whatever, then I am perfectly justified in adding salt (to the veggies alone) without tasting them first.

Further, as I suffer from Anosmia (no sense of smell) I tend to eat food which is spicier, sweeter or saltier than some would prefer. Otherwise, literally, a boiled potato can taste just like a cauliflower or an apple, with texture being the main way I tell food apart. I also have a very healthy blood pressure. For this reason I don't feel in the least guilty about picking up the salt and pepper pot before tasting the stuff on my plate, with the provisos I outlined earlier.
I hate eating when I have a bad cold and cannot taste - it fills me up but does nothing for my soul (sense of happiness on eating well!!!!!)
 
A couple of weeks ago I saw for sale a tiny bottle that clips to your keyring or beltloop for the purpose of carrying hot sauce. I think it's a Huy Fong Sriracha brand.

And I know a guy who is a black pepper snob. He carries a tiny pepper mill in a shirt pocket so that he can have his own particular black pepper wherever he goes.

I would even imagine people as salt snobs carrying a little mill for their fancy pink Himalayan salt.

That is not at all an exclusively recent thing. Many people have done such throughout recorded history!!! There have been tiny bottles of Tabasco sauce too, and many more!!! In some travel situations I will have various salts, peppers and spices with me in small containers (the salts are, of course, all NaCl or KI but several of the Na's are various smoked, chemically hotted (Jalapeno, Habanero, Bhut Jolokia and Scorpion ) or otherwise treated versions of the basic as well as flaked. And for unimportant reasons I have recently discovered that the flaked version put in a bottle/dispenser previously containing ground clove makes a very tasty salt if you let it just sit peacefully for a week or two!!!!!
 
I hate eating when I have a bad cold and cannot taste - it fills me up but does nothing for my soul (sense of happiness on eating well!!!!!)

No zero-G space travel for you!

One of the effects of Zero-G is that the sinuses don't drain properly, causing astronauts to lose much of their sense of smell and taste - plus they need to be on a fairly low salt diet.

I guess they like to be supplied with lots of spicy food, as a way of having at least some taste.
 
I saw that. Pity they did not measure blood pressure of their subjects.

I bet they did, but it just didn't get reported in that story. At any rate, blood pressure and salt isn't so simple either.

Popular press story:
http://time.com/3313332/salt-and-blood-pressure/
Journal article:
https://academic.oup.com/ajh/articl...tionship-Between-Nutrition-and-Blood-Pressure

tl;dr: "Salt intake was not associated with SBP [systolic blood pressure] in either sex after multiple adjustments."
 
Perhaps the conflation is caused by the fact that diuretic pills do lower BP.

Though that might be due to water build up CAUSED by other BP meds. But that is just a thought of mine. Vaso-dilators drop BP about 10, add a water pill and get another 9, but I don't think water pills do that much when used by themselves.

And also, I've read that 20% of residents of old folks homes have LOW sodium levels. Cutting salt is not of universal benefit.
 
It has been reported that the ketogenic diet can help reverse the metabolic syndrome which includes high BP.

Oddly, many on the diet find they have to consciously increase salt intake to avoid mineral loss as they do not retain water as with a traditional high carb diet.
 
Welcome to the forum, TruthJonsen.

You'll find that around here people want a little better than "they say" or "it has been reported", as substantiation for a claim. Name the person, quote the study, link to an article discussing the matter, something like that, and you'll get a more reasoned response. So, have you got anything to back up your claim about high fat/ low carb diets and salt?
 

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