Russian Presidential Elections

Who will win the Russian Presidential Elections

  • Putin

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Putin

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • Putin

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • On Planet X, we all vote for Putin

    Votes: 9 69.2%

  • Total voters
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How long, exactly, do you expect Putin to live, assuming no foul play (which is quite the assumption) ?
Also, unlike China, Russia has basically no tradition of an Éminence grise: you are the boss only as long as people know you are the boss.
Putin cannot give up his power, since without it he will lose all his wealth.
And quite probably his life.

Yeltsin and his cronies picked Putin why would he not be able to pick a successor like he was picked?

As for all his wealth he is worth 40-60 billion why would he lose all the money he has in international banks and Trump properties? No proper Russian Oligarch would keep all their money in Russia.
 
Putin reveals primary objective of new presidential term

RT said:
[...] "The main thing that we will be working on is of course the internal agenda. First of all we must ensure the growth rate for the economy and make it an innovative one. We must develop healthcare, education, industrial production, infrastructure and other branches that are crucial for moving our country forward and increasing the living standards of our citizens,” Putin said in a Monday meeting with people in senior positions at his election headquarters.

“Workforce productivity is a key issue. Let us work on this agenda together!” he said.

“Of course, there are also issues connected with the national defense and security, we cannot do without them, but still the internal agenda is of primary importance today," the president added [...]

“As for the defense expenditures, we have slated their decrease for this year and for the next year. This will not cause any problems for our defense capability, because the main investments into the development of the newest weapons systems have been made over the previous years,” Putin told his key supporters. “We just need to bring some things to their logical conclusion, to continue the research and development that I have not spoken about yet,” he added.

“There will be no increase in spending, no arms race. We have everything, we have secure reserves in this field,” the president concluded. [...]
 
How long, exactly, do you expect Putin to live, assuming no foul play (which is quite the assumption) ?
Also, unlike China, Russia has basically no tradition of an Éminence grise: you are the boss only as long as people know you are the boss.
Putin cannot give up his power, since without it he will lose all his wealth.
And quite probably his life.

I always have in the back of mind this "blood in, blood out" scenario. Putin began his ascent with a BANG and I fear he'll do the same on his way out:eye-poppi, paving the way (for an FSB associate no doubt) for his successor to pardon him like he pardoned Yeltsin.
 
It's a shame that the evil Western imperialists have forced Putin into a defensive violent dictatorial posture. Poor guy. :(
 
Putin has obviously given up on his prime objective of the past decades, namely to increase the very low birthrates.
 
Putin has obviously given up on his prime objective of the past decades, namely to increase the very low birthrates.


"Obviously"? Because he didn't mention it? That's not because he gave up, it's because he succeeded to turn the trend.

wikipedia said:
As of 2015, Russian [Total Fertility Rate] TFR of 1.8 children per woman is highest in Eastern Europe, which means an average Russian family has more children (1.78) than an average family in any other Eastern European country. Still, this rate is far below the replacement rate of 2.1 – 2.14. [...]

The TFR hit a historic low of 1.157 in 1999 and has since begun to rise again, reaching 1.777 in 2015 (growth of 53.6%) [...]

Compared to the G7 countries, in 2015, Russian TFR of 1.78 children/ woman was lower than that of France (1.93), the USA (1.84), the UK (1.82). Yet its TFR is higher than in other G7 countries like Canada (1.61), Germany (1.50), Japan (1.46) and Italy (1.35).[...]
 
But really anything since the aftermath of the collapse of the USSR would have been an improvement. The 1990s were a historic low for Russia. I mean you could have had Yevgeny Primakov, for example as President and though he was not a friend of the US at all, he wasn't corrupt; rallied against corruption in the Yeltsin camp. And he could have turned things around as well.

Low bar.
 
While you're on that page, take a look at the life expectancy development since 2000.

These are the "little things" that make the Western propaganda so laughable and obvious in the eyes of Russians (and everybody else who cares to not accept the junk at face value and look for themselves).
 
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While you're on that page, take a look at the life expectancy development since 2000.

These are the "little things" that make the Western propaganda so laughable and obvious in the eyes of Russians (and everybody else who cares to not accept the junk at face value and look for themselves).

Yes. Life expectancy improved from terrible to dismal.

Having spent a few weeks working in Russian factories not long before 1020, it is not hard to see why it was so low and not very hard to improve on.
 
Yes. Life expectancy improved from terrible to dismal.

Having spent a few weeks working in Russian factories not long before 1020, it is not hard to see why it was so low and not very hard to improve on.


Yeah, that was after a decade of "Western" "help" and adorement of the funny drunken bear Yeltzin and how cute he bombed his parliament.

Did you read the reply to the question "Isn't there somebody better than Putin" by the head of RT, which I posted before the election? Here it is again:

Margarita Simonyan said:
To understand this, you had to live here before Putin. Just picture it, you live in a country where a civil war has going on long since, which has no end and no end in sight. Where a crisis has just struck, which has nullified all your money, again.
Where everyone understands that Chechnya will not come to an end, and there will be Dagestan, Ingushetia and even Adygeya, and then Tatarstan, until we fall apart completely in torment, hatred and blood.
Where my regional governor, for example, forbade the sale of our Kuban grain to Moscow, because this Moscow would go away, far off, along with the rest of Russia.
Where our bloody and final collapse is inevitable, and nothing can be done.
Where for months or even years salaries and pensions go unpaid. Where every year is worse than the previous one. Where all hopes have collapsed long ago.
And then a man comes, and all this stops. War, hopelessness, collapse, massive permanent non-payment.
Wages, pensions are growing. By slight increments, but growing. Mortgages can be had, unheard of before, there are some bank account savings from the population, mass TOURISM abroad:
Not shuttling to Poland with trunks loaded with alarms, like my mother, for example, (with her advanced degrees), but rather to vacation in Turkey. And then to Italy.
And in general, - I say, I do not know any person who would not live here much better under Putin than before Putin.
The problem is that you compare our life with your own. But we compare our life with our own life before Putin.
And we understand: maybe with someone else all these years it would be better. But in fact it was worse, way worse. Would you take risk the of such a situation?


Would it have been better with Primakov? He's dead now, died of old age and highly respected in Russia including by Putin who relied a lot on his experience. Would he have had the balls to show the oligarchs their place like Putin did, etc? Nobody knows.

A sparrow in the hand is better than a dove on the roof, as a German saying goes.
 
Yeah, that was after a decade of "Western" "help" and adorement of the funny drunken bear Yeltzin and how cute he bombed his parliament.

See if you can get a job that takes you into a Russian factory and see what it is like. And talk to the workers to see what they have to say about the past.

My old employer first shipped equipment to the Soviet union in the early 30's without any support. One now retired salesman saw it still running around 2000.

More complicated equipment was built on site in Russian factories in the mid to late 70's prior to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. That equipment required engineers to travel to supervise construction and commissioning. One of those engineers still works for my old employer. He and several others ended up marrying Russian women.

Business connections started and stopped several times. My first trip was in early 2007 at the beginning of another cycle of doing business there. My last was in 2012. What I saw was very dismal safety standards. Workers in the department that I worked in were allowed to retire with full pensions at 20 years instead of the usual 30 because of the terrible conditions. Most of that could have been fixed just by installed better ventilation.

Comparing notes with engineers who had been there in the 70's and 90's noted that politics and woman's fashion had changed dramatically but the factories themselves did not. What did change was the number of people working in them. In the Soviet era there were far more workers than there was work to do. Post communism there was a lot of people let go and not replaced. Fewer workers in a toxic working environment means fewer dead workers in the plant but a lot more unemployed men with too much time on their hands.

Western "Help" did not create these problems. The collapse of the Soviet union exposed old problems.
 
Western "Help" did not create these problems. The collapse of the Soviet union exposed old problems.


I assumed that your typo "1020" meant 2001 as we were talking about the life expectancy rise under Putin. Nobody claims that everything is sunshine in Russia, and in fact improving working conditions is a prime objective named by Putin. What the clueless and the malicious are claiming is that somehow the broad support for Putin is not genuine and he needs to and does rig elections to win. As someone who recently was in Russia, I'm sure you agree that this is utter bollocks.
 
Yeah, that was after a decade of "Western" "help" and adorement of the funny drunken bear Yeltzin and how cute he bombed his parliament.

Would it have been better with Primakov? He's dead now, died of old age and highly respected in Russia including by Putin who relied a lot on his experience. Would he have had the balls to show the oligarchs their place like Putin did, etc? Nobody knows.
A sparrow in the hand is better than a dove on the roof, as a German saying goes.

:rolleyes:
Primakov in the late 90s was absolutely prepared to bring a case against the oligarchs who had robbed the country, and he implied that even Yeltsin's camp wasn't untouchable. Nobody was untouchable.

To that end, Prosecutor General Yuri Skuratov tried to carry out the charges against the elites. But guess who came to the rescue for team Yeltsin?

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ETA: It's always convenient to use fake hookers as blackmail.
 
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I assumed that your typo "1020" meant 2001 as we were talking about the life expectancy rise under Putin. Nobody claims that everything is sunshine in Russia, and in fact improving working conditions is a prime objective named by Putin. What the clueless and the malicious are claiming is that somehow the broad support for Putin is not genuine and he needs to and does rig elections to win. As someone who recently was in Russia, I'm sure you agree that this is utter bollocks.

2010 would be the accurate correction. In 2001 I was working in a steel mill in the US that was eventually sold to a Russian company and then sold off at a loss when Putin told the Russian billionaires to bring their money home.

I was there for 2012 election. Not a single person I knew there bothered to vote. They said it did not matter. I don't speak enough Russian to understand the TV coverage but I did watch it. There was little to nothing daily TV news coverage about anybody else running until 1 week before the election. Then on election night I did not see any raw vote count numbers. They did show percentages and that was about it.
 
:rolleyes:
Primakov in the late 90s was absolutely prepared to bring a case against the oligarchs who had robbed the country, and he implied that even Yeltsin's camp wasn't untouchable. Nobody was untouchable.

To that end, Prosecutor General Yuri Skuratov tried to carry out the charges against the elites. But guess who came to the rescue for team Yeltsin?

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I know this. But do you know who was the head oligarch of the corrupt clique know as "Yelzin family", named after the president and his daughter? And brought Putin to power through a vast campaign in his media empire? And who not long after Putin was in power had to flee the country and spent the rest of his life plotting revenge from his UK exile until he finally killed himself? While some of his buddies landed in jail?

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They chose someone who didn't intend to be their puppet. That's the whole story of the hatred against VV Putin.
 
As to Primakov, you might want to check wikipedia again to understand how he spent the Putin years. They quickly became allies and Primakov was given several important tasks to all (Russian) sides satisfaction until he recently died and Putin held a praising eulogy.
 
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