Rush Limbaugh: "Environmentalist Whackos blew it up!"

Bill Thompson said:
Only liberals do. You see, Liberals assume that just because they form their political opinions from entertainers (like Oprah and Jon Stewart) that conservatives do the same thing. They do not.
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Serious question: Do you honestly think that conservatives are so mentally pure that they do not fall into the same logical traps as liberals?
 
CORed, it's not apparent that BP violated any federal regulations. Federal regulations, as it stands now, does not require the automatic safetyvalve that would've stopped the oil spill. Other countries have this regulation, just not ours.
 
thaiboxerken said:
CORed, it's not apparent that BP violated any federal regulations. Federal regulations, as it stands now, does not require the automatic safetyvalve that would've stopped the oil spill. Other countries have this regulation, just not ours.
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I thought the rig had an automatic shutoff but it failed to work.
 
Bill Thompson said:
Only liberals do. You see, Liberals assume that just because they form their political opinions from entertainers (like Oprah and Jon Stewart) that conservatives do the same thing. They do not.

When Bush was president liberal reporters would go to press meetings at The White House demanding that Limbaugh, a private citizen, be forced to apologize for comments he made. This makes me think that Savage's comment that Liberalism is a mental disorder has merit.

And, besides, just because you do not like what Limbaugh says does not mean he is wrong. What if he is correct? Do you believe in censorship?
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Bill, I've told you this before and I will tell you again now. Your understanding of political reality is seriously malformed. Before you make broad sweeping generalizations like this, you really need to check your facts first. The vast majority of what you believe is true politically does not match up with reality.
 
KingMerv00 said:
I thought the rig had an automatic shutoff but it failed to work.
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Please, stop with the facts, will you? This is a thread for silly partisan bickering.

FWIW, this project had not installed redundant system (which when you want reliability in a system, you would consider in system design) that is used by other people in the same business. The folks at BP and Transocean will be dealing with that decision for some time to come.

So will folks who fish in the Gulf, unless BP can get that thing to stop leaking. (Latest news story is that maybe they can sooner rather than later ... we shall see).

DR
 
Bill Thompson said:
Do you understand what the word "debunk" means? It does not mean presenting an alternate theory.

Finding a blog titled "BP Debunks Right Wing Oil Spill Conspiracy Theories" http://www.politicususa.com/en/oil-spill-conspiracy does not magically mean that the blog actually debunks Limbaugh's theory.

Even the blog says "This seems much more probable than the conspiracy theory blaming left wing environmentalists advanced by Rush Limbaugh last week". The blog even admits that it actually does not debunk anything.

If you believe something just because it is the right thing to believe does not mean the same thing as believing something that is actually correct.
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Bill Thompson said:
Only liberals do. You see, Liberals assume that just because they form their political opinions from entertainers (like Oprah and Jon Stewart) that conservatives do the same thing. They do not.
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Very interesting, it seems that you're both defending the accuracy and seriousness of what Rush said and the the idea that Rush is just an entertainer and conservatives aren't taking this seriously at the same time. But apparently at least one conservative is taking him very seriously. Enough so that he's stopping dead in the middle of a discussion and defending what he has to say. :rolleyes:
 
thaiboxerken said:
Sorry, it's a remote controlled shutoff that other countries require as a redundancy.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704423504575212031417936798.html
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As far as I know, not being a petro industry pro, two countries require this.
Brazil
Norway
(From my perspective, seems a sensible long term stewarship requirement, since oil extraction at sea overlaps with other major industries, to include fishing ...)

What about:
Brunei
Venezuela
US
Canada
Saudi
Qatar
Bahrain
Russia
Scotland
United Kingdom
Iran
UAE
Viet Nam
China
Nigeria
Cuba
Mexico

and
so
on

DR
 
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Darth Rotor said:
As far as I know, not being a petro industry pro, two countries require this.
Brazil
Norway

What about:
Brunei
Venezuela
US
Canada
Saudi
Qatar
Bahrain
Russia
Scotland
United Kingdom
Iran
UAE
Viet Nam
China
Nigeria
Cuba
Mexico

and
so
on

DR
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Did you miss my link above? We were attempting to institute this feature, but Bush/Cheney shut it down in 2003.
 
Darth Rotor said:
As far as I know, not being a petro industry pro, two countries require this.
Brazil
Norway
(From my perspective, seems a sensible long term stewarship requirement, since oil extraction at sea overlaps with other major industries, to include fishing ...)

What about:
Brunei
Venezuela
US
Canada
Saudi
Qatar
Bahrain
Russia
Scotland
United Kingdom
Iran
UAE
Viet Nam
China
Nigeria
Cuba
Mexico

and
so
on

DR
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What about them? If your friends jumped into an oil slick, would you jump too?
 
Unabogie said:
Did you miss my link above? We were attempting to institute this feature, but Bush/Cheney shut it down in 2003.
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If you had bothered to read my post to Chaos, I ETA'd to reference Dragoonster, who had posted that link in another thread.

I think you really, really missed the point of my response to ken.

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
If you had bothered to read my post to Chaos, I ETA'd to reference Dragoonster, who had posted that link in another thread.

I think you really, really missed the point of my response to ken.

DR
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I did miss your ETA. The last I read was that you were unclear about whether or not Bush nixed the so-called "accoustic" valve. I simply pointed out that he did. You then appeared to me to say that only two countries use the valve anyway, a point I thought was weak, since the subject was veering from OUR failure to use the valve. Sorry if I misread your point, if it's something different. MY point is that we should have the strongest standards, and that had we done so, this spill would have been avoided.
 
Unabogie said:
I did miss your ETA.
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No biggie, cross posting happens. :)

It is my opinion that the Norwegian approach has a great deal of merit, particularly in light of littoral regions being home to multiple industries that all rely on the same body of water and sea bed.

Stewardship, not avoidance, which is why I compared this matter to nuclear power development (in this or one of the other threads).

DR
 
Bill Thompson said:
Only liberals do. You see, Liberals assume that just because they form their political opinions from entertainers (like Oprah and Jon Stewart) that conservatives do the same thing. They do not.

When Bush was president liberal reporters would go to press meetings at The White House demanding that Limbaugh, a private citizen, be forced to apologize for comments he made. This makes me think that Savage's comment that Liberalism is a mental disorder has merit.

And, besides, just because you do not like what Limbaugh says does not mean he is wrong. What if he is correct? Do you believe in censorship?
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What are you talking about?

First of all, the people who take Limbaugh seriously are all hard-core right wingers. These are the "ditto-heads", and I know a few of them.

I don't know anyone who thinks of themselves as "liberal" or "progressive" who take Limbaugh seriously. Yeah, they often get ticked off at what he says, but that's because he's a shameless liar, not because they believe what he's saying.

You seem to be saying that no one who considers him/herself a conservative takes Limbaugh seriously. That's an absurd position.

As for your claim that "liberal reporters" would to go "press meetings at the White House" and "demand" that Rush "be forced to apologize" for something he said, that's a new one on me. Do you have a citation for such "demands"?

And I don't know that anyone here is saying that Rush is wrong because they don't like him. He's wrong because he's espousing a complete crackpot theory.

Can you explain how in the world this could have been sabotaged, and who could have done it?

No, of course you can't. No one can. Because it's a ridiculous claim. It's right up there with 9/11 Truther nonsense.

Come on and join the real world here, Bill, you're giving the rest of us a bad name.
 
Unabogie said:
Did you miss my link above? We were attempting to institute this feature, but Bush/Cheney shut it down in 2003.
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Bush and Cheney personally shut it down? Those two guys? They did it?

Interesting.

Got cite?
 
Kthulhut Fhtagn said:
Uncle Rush is at the Oxycontin again and letting us all know his opinion on the recent debacle over the oil spill.



Source

So I suppose the thinking of ole' Rush on this one goes something like this.

Environmentalists want to help the environment by preventing oil drilling and nuclear power plants.

So they blow up a series of oil rigs to make us think twice about more drilling and nuclear power plants...adversely affecting the environment in the process.

????

Profit!
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It's the right wing and the teabaggers promoting conspiracy theories these days. Rush has been a conspiracy monger for years. Truthers must be green with envy over the media coverage the birthers and the other right wing loons are getting.
 
Piggy said:
Bush and Cheney personally shut it down? Those two guys? They did it?

Interesting.

Got cite?
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Sorry, I thought it was obvious that Bush/Cheney means their administration, just like anything the Obama administration does can be said to have been done by Obama. Of course there are exceptions, like actions by the DOJ, which are technically supposed to be done independent of the Executive, but I think you're just playing a semantic game and everyone else got the gist...
 
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