Rudd resigns as foreign minister

I will build a boat out of whatever I can get my hands on and paddle my way to Indo-frikkin-nesia if Pyne is ever the PM of this country.
 
Kid Eager said:
It's just that I like crunchy peanut butter...
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Smooth is teh suxxors.

I'm wishing at this stage that I'd bet more than $50 myself but it's not worth upping it now that the odds are shortening so much.


Cheers mate.
 
lionking said:
Yeah? And who's the shining star on the other side if (when) Abbott gets the chop? Pyne?
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"Truly pathetic", is what Cassidy said about bringing Abbott up, and I agree.

The blood is being spilled on the floors of the Labor caucus, nowhere else. We rarely see such hatred in politics - but incredibly this is within the same team. They are self destructing before our eyes and people are tragically still in denial. So sad.

This government is irredeemable and victory at the next election impossible. It will be interesting to see the polls tomorrow (which are coming out early).

Never have we been so entertained by federal politics. I love it.
 
I was entertained by politics when I was in the public gallery the day that there was the leadership vote Whitlam versus Hayden (yes, I think it was 31 May 1977??). Not so much by the voting as the conduct of the members of the House of Reps prior to the Speaker arriving. Worse than a bunch of schoolkids.
 
And the Labor party seems to have improved nowt since then. They are still behaving like infants. ;)
 
Legend said:
I will build a boat out of whatever I can get my hands on and paddle my way to Indo-frikkin-nesia if Pyne is ever the PM of this country.
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It's a shame we're not closer to Norway as I could then make a pithy observation regarding Pyning for the fjords. Alas it is not to be.

Meanwhile, in a shock discovery, we find that politicians are being egotistical prats... still. In other news, water is wet...
 
Gillard is such a horrible PM, just look at how she managed to form a government when the election was basically a draw, or all the legislation she managed to pass in the same time period. She's a disgrace to our nation isn't she?
 
Wildy said:
Gillard is such a horrible PM, just look at how she managed to form a government when the election was basically a draw, or all the legislation she managed to pass in the same time period. She's a disgrace to our nation isn't she?
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It really doesn't matter which side of the political fence one is on, or how one sees future events shaping up - comments like "which again helps underline just what an appalling leader Gillard is" say far more about the trolls making such comments than they do about Julia.

I'm quite proud of the job she's done and I didn't even vote for her.
 
Legend said:
I will build a boat out of whatever I can get my hands on and paddle my way to Indo-frikkin-nesia if Pyne is ever the PM of this country.
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I doubt he could actually ruin the country, but if he had a go at it I'd start looking at work opportunities in New Zealand.
 
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Akhenaten said:
It really doesn't matter which side of the political fence one is on, or how one sees future events shaping up - comments like "which again helps underline just what an appalling leader Gillard is" say far more about the trolls making such comments than they do about Julia.

I'm quite proud of the job she's done and I didn't even vote for her.
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Same here. Mind you, I just got redistributed to Scullin, so my vote no longer counts in the lower house.
 
Damien Evans said:
I doubt he could actually ruin the country, but if he had a go at it I'd start looking at work opportunities in New Zealand.
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It's not about ruining the country, I just want no personal affiliation with a country that has the universe's biggest tool as its leader.
 
Akhenaten said:
It really doesn't matter which side of the political fence one is on, or how one sees future events shaping up - comments like "which again helps underline just what an appalling leader Gillard is" say far more about the trolls making such comments than they do about Julia.

I'm quite proud of the job she's done and I didn't even vote for her.
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And then you look at the reasons behind such comment - slow internet speeds This is the greatest issue Australia faces? There are countries out there would kill to have that as their greatest challenge.

Whether by good management, or simple blind luck Australia has managed to avoid many of the pitfalls that can bring nations down. So far each generation of Australians has passed on a better nation to their successors.

Because of the very nature of our political system I don't see that trend changing in my time
 
The way I see it is.
Labor is going to be beaten in the 2013 election, I doubt there are too many that think Labor can win.
With Gillard at the helm we will have a more stable government until 2013. With Rudd the government will be unstable because of less talent on the front bench, and possibility that the Independents may stop supporting him, which will lead to an early election.
Rudd has a much bigger chance (if there is one) of defeating Abbott in the 2013 election.
So what would you do if you were a government backbencher?
Go for Gillard and certain annihilation, possibly bigger than NSW Labor's loss last year. Or.
Go with Rudd and still have a loss or a very small outside chance of a win (maybe 100/1), but possibly lose less members at the next election.
Put yourself in the backbenchers position.
For me personally I would go for Gillard for a more stable government and wait for the Neanderthals to bash down the castle gates in 2013:D:D.
Labor needs to change and what Rudd said about the faceless men/union movement is right. They need to reinvent themselves as a new progressive left leaning Liberal party, not to be confused with the Liberal party that is a right wing conservative party and not Liberal at all. Liberals to me are progressive, Abbotts mob are not.
 
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A.A. Alfie said:
And the Labor party seems to have improved nowt since then. They are still behaving like infants. ;)
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I wasn't referring to the Labor Party. I was referring to the elected members in the House of Reps. Nice twist and irrelevant segue, though.
 
wombatwal said:
Ever the impartial Alfie.
You don't think that the conservatives act like adults in parliament now do you?:eye-poppi
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When they are tearing themselves to pieces ask me again.

wombatwal said:
The way I see it is.
Labor is going to be beaten in the 2013 election, I doubt there are too many that think Labor can win.
With Gillard at the helm we will have a more stable government until 2013. With Rudd the government will be unstable because of less talent on the front bench, and possibility that the Independents may stop supporting him, which will lead to an early election.
Rudd has a much bigger chance (if there is one) of defeating Abbott in the 2013 election.
So what would you do if you were a government backbencher?
Go for Gillard and certain annihilation, possibly bigger than NSW Labor's loss last year. Or.
Go with Rudd and still have a loss or a very small outside chance of a win (maybe 100/1), but possibly lose less members at the next election.
Put yourself in the backbenchers position.
For me personally I would go for Gillard for a more stable government and wait for the Neanderthals to bash down the castle gates in 2013.
Labor needs to change and what Rudd said about the faceless men/union movement is right.
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In the meantime I largely agree with this; I think you have summarised the Labor situation very well. I disagree on two points:

- I understand why one would think that staying with Gillard is more stable but I'm not so sure.
- The backbenchers that will lose their jobs at the next election will lose their jobs. Why would they stick with someone that would lead them over the cliff. It is quite the conundrum though, I agree.

Today's Galaxy poll says that Labor would lose 14 seats under Gillard and six under Rudd - and a "in two-party terms, the Coalition leader Tony Abbott has a crushing 54-46 per cent lead over Ms Gillard, but a narrower 51-49 lead over Mr Rudd." That would place Labor as an outside chance of winning.

Both Gillard and Rudd are terminal whoever wins, so their attitude will be something like "Why not suck up his/her lkeadership for 12 months or so and replace with a maturing Shorten (for example) ahead of the election? Much more stable... not.

A third choice is needed now.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mo...or-me-kevin-rudd/story-fn7x8me2-1226281066727
 
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wombatwal said:
Put Shorten in before the elections?
That would be a disaster, change leaders again!!
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But that is exactly what will happen:
If Rudd wins: no-one can work with him and he is not viable in an ongoing sense.
If Gillard wins she cannot win the election: so why stick with her?

Someone else will - MUST lead.
In terms of stability it would be better they do it now rather than later.

The Labor party is being given a great opportunity to make ongoing change and actually provide stability - sadly the factions and faceless men Rudd speaks of will not have it yet, which is a great pity for their party and the Australian people overall.
 
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wombatwal said:
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So what would you do if you were a government backbencher?
Go for Gillard and certain annihilation, possibly bigger than NSW Labor's loss last year. Or.
Go with Rudd and still have a loss or a very small outside chance of a win (maybe 100/1), but possibly lose less members at the next election.
Put yourself in the backbenchers position.
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Need more information. How safe is my seat? I mean if staying with Julia means of returning as part of a tiny Opposition where my talents will finally get the recognition they deserve ....
 
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