Roy attacked by tiger

[jj]

His status is under wraps right now.
All I'll say is that they probably won't perform again.
It's very bad. Let's not joke about this anymore.

I don't think that the situation is funny! ??

But "won't perform again" suggests a very serious outcome, medically, I'd think.

 

[kittynh]

Oh I feel so sad. Those guys ARE Vegas. Plus, they really love their animals and I had heard they did a lot to promote conservation with the wild cats. I also think what a thrill they must have given so many people, their first "up close" view of these amazing animals. when I was growing up in DC I loved the white tigers the best (this was pre Pandas). I always loved to go visit "my tigers" (the zoo is free, at least I hope it still is!). So hoping things turn out well.

 

[MoeFaux]

Penn is talking about it on CNN right now.

 

[peptoabysmal]

One report I heard on the radio said that the big cat shook Roy like a toy rag doll.

That's one thing about the big cats, they will always be true wild animals under the hood. You can't really ever make pets out of them.

 

[MoeFaux]

I agree. This is a little OT, but are those two guys related or gay? They seem to make a loverly couple.

Charlie (get well Roy and avoid pussy for a little while) Monoxide

They were together at the beginning of their career together for a few years. They haven't been a couple for a very, very long time. They're not each others type.

 

[kittynh]

Oh, I just saw Penn on tv. I started to cry. Is there anyplace we can send a card ? I know that sounds hokey, but really those guys love the big cats, and I for one would love to have seen their show. CNN showed them letting people in the audience pet a baby white tiger, I would so have love to have done that! I only hope for the best for Roy.

 

[kitsune]

Geez, that sucks.

Unfortunately, it even happens to the very best people who own large cats. I'm sorry to hear of such a horrific attack.

I certainally hope that Roy is able to recover from his injuries, and lead a normal life, and I hope that he will be able to work around his beloved tigers without fear or pain.

 

[reprise]

One report I heard on the radio said that the big cat shook Roy like a toy rag doll.

That's one thing about the big cats, they will always be true wild animals under the hood. You can't really ever make pets out of them.

Well gee, while we first understand the siz eof these cats (they are not little) and we then try to force them to perform at LV.

I'm only a dog trainer. Not ever, EVER, would I have turned my back on a dog let alone a wild cat.

I'm kind of guessng that the record will show that one of the audience members provoked the tiger. Isn't it great that Canadian people who can't even sing get top billing.

Pardon mewhile I vomit after every illusionist on this planet including Randi tells me why this was the tigers fault.

FFS, even Wayne Newton no longer plays Vegas voluntarily.

 

[MoeFaux]

Oh, I just saw Penn on tv. I started to cry. Is there anyplace we can send a card ? I know that sounds hokey, but really those guys love the big cats, and I for one would love to have seen their show. CNN showed them letting people in the audience pet a baby white tiger, I would so have love to have done that! I only hope for the best for Roy.

The S&R page is running very slow right now as it's being barraged with hits. You may be able to get through and get the contact information from there, or you can contact the Mirage directly.
If all else fails, I can forward mail for them to the P&T office to be delivered.

It's very bad. They're not releasing anything about it other than what Penn said on CNN, but there's a lot more to it than that.

I never did see the show. I lived in Vegas three years and never saw it. I was supposed to go with another magicain eventually. It just won't happen now. It's a very bad time right now for Vegas.

 

[MoeFaux]

Okay, here's the address the S&R page lists:

Frank H. Lieberman
Siegfried & Roy Public Relations
4187 Pleasant Rd.
Las Vegas, NV 89108

It would be very kind to send your words of support to them.

 

[reprise]

Mo, what happened is really horrible, but I don't believe for a minute that the illusionist involved did not recognise the risks they were taking.

Until someone answers, I will keep asking the question of how this illusion SHOULD have worked. It wasn't magic and no-one believed that it was. Something went very, VERY wrong, and I will harrass every single illusionist I know until we find out what "should" have happened and what went wrong.

I don't place much credibility on the footage which is already online but I sure as heck want know why the paid security people weren't carrying loaded, live ammo guns in a "will carry" state. Are people who live in Nevada and carry weapons absolute FWs?

 

[MoeFaux]

Mo, what happened is really horrible, but I don't believe for a minute that the illusionist involved did not recognise the risks they were taking.

Until someone answers, I will keep asking the question of how this illusion SHOULD have worked. It wasn't magic and no-one believed that it was. Something went very, VERY wrong, and I will harrass every single illusionist I know until we find out what "should" have happened and what went wrong.

I don't place much credibility on the footage which is already online but I sure as heck want know why the paid security people weren't carrying loaded, live ammo guns in a "will carry" state. Are people who live in Nevada and carry weapons absolute FWs?

Oh no. They knew the danger every second. Yes, it's like a race car driver, or, as Penn said on CNN, they're astronauts. They knew the danger and they still did it. We cannot be shocked by this. They're working with deadly animals and that means there's always a very real danger. I suppose the only surprise is that this is the first and only accident they've had since 1957, when they started working together.

It wasn't an illusion that they were doing in the show, it was just presenting. He was just walking the tiger out as he did every show. The tiger has been working with them for the past 6 years. The tiger was just being a tiger. That's all it was.

 

[reprise]

Oh no. They knew the danger every second. Yes, it's like a race car driver, or, as Penn said on CNN, they're astronauts. They knew the danger and they still did it. We cannot be shocked by this. They're working with deadly animals and that means there's always a very real danger. I suppose the only surprise is that this is the first and only accident they've had since 1957, when they started working together.

It wasn't an illusion that they were doing in the show, it was just presenting. He was just walking the tiger out as he did every show. The tiger has been working with them for the past 6 years. The tiger was just being a tiger. That's all it was.

Sorry Mo, I sound like I'm being a bitch here. All I'm trying to do is defend the tiger against the people who are saying that the tiger behaved abnormally. Tigers are big. They are actually quite huge. I do understand that some of the Vegas tricks are very well done illusions. I thought that this might be one of those illusions gone wrong.

From what I have read - and I trust the magicians on this messageboard far more than CNN - something went wrong. You - and Penn & Teller - are all saying that it wasn't meant to be an illusion in the first place. I know that some of you WERE there and I'm asking you as magicians what went wrong.

I know that the casinos in Vegas record 24/7. I don't beleive for a minute that they would have been able to pick up deception on the gaming floors and not be able to produce the tapes of this particular incident.

I'm already disappointed by Randi's response to the YB ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. I'm absoutely horrified at his lack of response to the tiger trick going wrong.

 

[jj]

I'm already disappointed by Randi's response to the YB ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊.

He is obliged to be cautoius, Reprise.

I'm absoutely horrified at his lack of response to the tiger trick going wrong.

HOW DO YOU KNOW HE HASN'T RESPONDED?

Here is hardly the place an expert might respond.


Geeze louise!

 

[MoeFaux]

I know that the casinos in Vegas record 24/7. I don't beleive for a minute that they would have been able to pick up deception on the gaming floors and not be able to produce the tapes of this particular incident.

I'm already disappointed by Randi's response to the YB ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. I'm absoutely horrified at his lack of response to the tiger trick going wrong.

You're upset that Randi hasn't commented on it yet? Maybe he just doesn't know about it or doesn't know what to say. Don't jump on him for that. Where would he respond? Is CNN supposed to have every magicain on talking about this?

And as for a tape of the incedent. I don't know what the Mirage's procedures are, but the shows I'm familiar with don't record every night. I would be very surprised to see a tape of the incedent. I don't think there is one.
It's a show. It's the same show, every night, like clockwork. Maybe since they use such dangerous animals they have different backstage procedures, but I haven't a clue.

I don't think you're being a bitch, I only think that you might be misunderstanding.

Again, I'll say, they were working with killers. They knew it. I posted in the other Roy thread about my tiger experience, and they're just killer muscle. That's all they are. Just muscle and teeth. They're beautiful animals and S&R did great work with them, but there wasn't any wool pulled over anyones eyes. If he were doing a show with bunnies, it would be different. (It would be a scene out of The Holy Grail). But, a tiger is a tiger.

 

[peptoabysmal]

I was able to find more detail on the story in The Las Vegas Sun

edited to add:

Quick thinking on someone's part to use fire extinguishers to distract the tiger and free Roy.

 

[!Xx+-Rational-+xX!]

Sorry Mo, I sound like I'm being a bitch here. All I'm trying to do is defend the tiger against the people who are saying that the tiger behaved abnormally. Tigers are big. They are actually quite huge. I do understand that some of the Vegas tricks are very well done illusions. I thought that this might be one of those illusions gone wrong.

From what I have read - and I trust the magicians on this messageboard far more than CNN - something went wrong. You - and Penn & Teller - are all saying that it wasn't meant to be an illusion in the first place. I know that some of you WERE there and I'm asking you as magicians what went wrong.

I know that the casinos in Vegas record 24/7. I don't beleive for a minute that they would have been able to pick up deception on the gaming floors and not be able to produce the tapes of this particular incident.

I'm already disappointed by Randi's response to the YB ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. I'm absoutely horrified at his lack of response to the tiger trick going wrong.

I find your avatar of someone touching a rat in inappropriate ways offensive, you should consider removing it before you offend more people with rat molestation and for the sake of my poor virgin eyes!

 

[MoeFaux]

I find your avatar of someone touching a rat in inappropriate ways offensive, you should consider removing it before you offend more people with rat molestation and for the sake of my poor virgin eyes!

 

[jj]

We need one of those signs that says "Sure looks like it, Moe"

 

[!Xx+-Rational-+xX!]

Maybe but I bring up a valid point on this one!