Rosie, Left Wing Partisan, Loses Bully Pulpit!

RandFan said:
It's a fair point. However, if a popular voice could be silenced through threat and intimidation would you be fine with that?
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Threat? Intimidation? I'm afraid I'd need specifics. "You will lose your job if you don't bring the viewers" is different than "We will stomp your face if you say things we don't like."
 
delphi_ote said:
Threat? Intimidation? I'm afraid I'd need specifics. "You will lose your job if you don't bring the viewers" is different than "We will stomp your face if you say things we don't like."
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No, I keep saying what I mean but it's just not getting through.

RandFan said:
Case in point: A local radio host in California, Larry Elder, was targeted by a group that didn't like what he had to say. Larry is black and he is also Libertarian. Larry is by all measure a very decent and intelectually honest person. His critics tried to silence him through intimidation of his advertisers. It nearly worked. Advertisers started to leave the show. However the radio station decided that it wasn't going to be intimidated to silence Larry especially since those calling for Larry's removal were telling lies and spreading falsehoods about Larry. The radio station had a backbone and took a loss for awhile until the critics stopped.
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In other words, it's possible for a minority to decide for the rest of us what we see and hear on the radio by threatening advertisers. The religious right used to be succesful at that. Their power waned in the 80's and 90's but we've seen a resurgance recently after Janet's boobed was flashed on TV.

I would rather people not watch what they don't want to see.
 
ponderingturtle said:
It is the weakest possible way to show disaproval of a topic.
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Yeah, Democracy sucks. That whole one person one vote thing is so passé. It's far better that a few vocal critics shape the market than simply letting the market shape the market.

Good one turtle.
 
ponderingturtle said:
That is what a boycott is. Mass voting with their dollars.
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Actually no. On the contrary.

Scenario A. 5% of the market defects if you stick with a controversial show.
Scenario B. 0% of the market defects if you pull out.

It only takes a minority of activists to sway advertisers.

Or the network decided that the show does not represent what the network wants to be viewed as.
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Given that networks demonstrate on a daily basis that they only care about money this is highly unlikely. Networks routinely broadcast lies that hurt people or swindle people or simply play to the lowest common denominator. Ever hear of Sylvia Browne? Enzyte? Jerry Springer?

I wouldn't be too quick to get a warm and fuzzy feeling about broadcasters giving a rat's a$$ about anything other than money. They are whores and thats not arguable.
 
RandFan said:
Really? Rosie boosted ratings on the view by 17%.
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Far be it from me to question a statistic from that noble bastion of scientific studies known as USA Today, but when did the ratings go up/down? Zero mention in the actual article. We have a laundry list of annoying behavior coupled with a random number pulled from God knows where God knows when and God knows how it actually correlates to her behaviors.
 
delphi_ote said:
Far be it from me to question a statistic from that noble bastion of scientific studies known as USA Today, but when did the ratings go up/down? Zero mention in the actual article. We have a laundry list of annoying behavior coupled with a random number pulled from God knows where God knows when and God knows how it actually correlates to her behaviors.
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All the news sources I can find say the ratings went up after Rosie joined and never suffered. Even Trump adimitted that her ratings were up.

On September 5, 2006, Rosie O'Donnell made her debut as a co-host. With the new changes in place, September 2006 brought in record ratings. A total of 3.1 million viewers watched that month, the highest total viewership the program has ever seen. The talk show also surged 34% in the advertiser-friendly "women aged 18-49" demographic, and sustained its early season success with its best ever November sweeps period.[15]
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Do you have something contrary to what is being reported?
 
Is it your goal to complain anytime any media personality gets fired from a job, Rand?
 
RandFan said:
Yeah, Democracy sucks. That whole one person one vote thing is so passé. It's far better that a few vocal critics shape the market than simply letting the market shape the market.

Good one turtle.
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Got it, so when someone says something you don't like you ignore them. As that is democracy in action.

Actualy speaking out against them is an unfair tactic, especialy if you try to convince others of your views.

Hmm, mabey you should practice this theory when threads dealing with boycotts come up?
 
RandFan said:
Actually no. On the contrary.

Scenario A. 5% of the market defects if you stick with a controversial show.
Scenario B. 0% of the market defects if you pull out.

It only takes a minority of activists to sway advertisers.
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And why is that wrong? why is it a moral imperative to support entities that support things you abhor?
 
I think it's sad Rosie's been dismissed. She's the best friend conservatives have, media and entertainment wise. She excels at succinctly summarizing and vocalizing the socialist/fantasist agenda and shearing it of the usual sugar coating and obsfucation ordinarily given it by it's trumpeters.

i.e, when she says it, it's plain to all what it means and it ain't too pretty. She will, indeed, be missed.
 
RandFan said:
All the news sources I can find say the ratings went up after Rosie joined and never suffered. Even Trump adimitted that her ratings were up.

Do you have something contrary to what is being reported?
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How do you measure one person's ratings for an entire show?

It's a show based on banter between people. If that one person insists on ranting constantly to get attention, eventually the show is going to go down the crapper. That's a reasonable decision for management to make. I would need hard evidence that they were actually taking her down in spite of her specific popularity before I gave them any guff about it.
 
i find none of rosies view are extreme left atall!

she seems more like a left of centre liberal
 
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