Ronald Reagan dies

[a_unique_person]

Means they are a Donkey usually.

Btw. When you Americans call someone an ass - what does that usually mean - that they are the buttocks? (Your reference.)

Look, can we just stick to the real business of reminding everyone what an idiot Reagan was, and how it was, perhaps, the darkest day in American history when he was elected.

The Presidency was no more about electing a person of ability, even if you disagreed with his politics. Tricky Dicky, a criminal, but at least one who could understand the complexity of the world. Carter, naive perhaps, but a clever man, and one who tried to run the USA in an educated way. Clinton, once again, a clever man, and a good showman, who actually tried to run the show.

With Reagan, it was now about electing an actor, someone who could make you feel good with soothing words. It was no longer about ability. People feel that Carter made people disrespect the USA, it was Reagan. The amount of covering up of what a fraud, charlatan, fool, ignoramus, etc, this man was, is amazing.

The Conservatives know what a disgrace the man was, hence the concerted campaign to create an endless list of 'Reagan' monuments. His acts were never his own, his thoughts likewise. He was a naive clown. There is nothing to show for his time in office. He happened to be around when the Soviet Union finally imploded. Someone had to be there then. If Carter had been re-elected, he would have got the acclaim. The starwars fraud was only ever that. He never had the capacity to understand that it was just one more example of the military/industrial complex dipping it's hand in the pocket of the taxpayer for absolutely no purpose whatsoever.

If Carter had fallen asleep during an important conference, for example, it would have been all over the front pages, never to be forgotten. Reagan did it habitually. He never tried to master his office. He could only ever resort to platitudes, and not even the 'professional' ones, that we expect from politicians.

Show me *one* example of Reagan as an innovative thinker, a creater. Not the speech reader, the campaigner, the politician at the photo ops. I mean Reagan the man. You can find many historical items from just about any past president of the modern era. Reagan, in contrast, is just an empty shell, someone who has to have monuments created post-hoc to leave a legacy.

 

[evildave]

As a form of 'eulogy', perhaps we should remember our favorite Reagan quote?

I (and others) already littered the previous pages with this stuff.

I'm torn between several...

In November 1983, Reagan told visiting Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir that he had served as a photographer in a U.S. Army unit assigned to film Nazi death camps. He repeated the story to Simon Wiesenthal the following February. Reagan never visited or filmed a concentration camp; he spent World War II in Hollywood, making training films with the First Motion Picture Unit of the Army Air Corps.


"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk."
--Ronald Reagan (Republican candidate for president), quoted in the Burlington (Vermont) Free Press, February 15, 1980. (In reality, the average nuclear reactor generates 30 tons of radioactive waste per year.)


We may be the generation that sees Armageddon.
-- Ronald Reagan, in a 1980 interview with criminal televangelist Jim Bakker, quoted from "A Brief History of the Apocalypse"

 

[RandFan]

Look, can we just stick to the real business of reminding everyone what an idiot Reagan was, and how it was, perhaps, the darkest day in American history when he was elected.

I'd prefer to concentrate on just how much of a classless a$$hole you realy are. "Liberal" for some just another name for hypocrite.

 

[RandFan]

As a form of 'eulogy', perhaps we should remember our favorite Reagan quote?

There must be great sense of gratification to hate so much. Screw Lincoln, srcrew compassion, screw our better nature.

Thanks dave,

Your nic suits you.

Screw some liberals.

 

[Sundog]

Have you ever felt so strongly about something that you just didn't even want to talk about it?

 

[a_unique_person]

I'd prefer to concentrate on just how much of a classless a$$hole you realy are. "Liberal" for some just another name for hypocrite.

Look, if everyone accepted what an idiot he was, I wouldn't have a problem with all this. I don't, as a matter of habit, point out the failings of the weakminded. For example, here lies RR, a man who rose beyond his abilities, and amazed us all with how well he coped, even if he never met the challenges that are part of being a president.

This 'greatest ever president' rubbish, or, lets all get sentimental for a while about a great man, however, is beyond all comprehension, and has to be challenged.

There was nothing great about him. He represents a dark day in American history. The day that America, a modern, educated, country, elected a moron, and was pleased with itself that it did. Morons have been elected in other countries, but people wake up pretty quick to what a big mistake they have made, and kick them out. Reagan just increased in popularity. WTF is happening here? The Prime Minister of Australia is a loathsome man, but one of great ability at least, someone who understands to some extent what the world is. He can enunciate his beliefs and rationale in a coherent manner.

If Australia ever elected someone like Reagan, I would be aghast. A ventroloquists dummy in charge, and not only that, everyone agrees with everyone else what a great leader this puppet is. Of course he's a good leader, he has a nice smile, he reads lines in a friendly voice, he tells nice jokes. Time for the 'twilight zone' music to start playing. Laugh In used to have jokes about 'President Reagan', and everyone would laugh.

The US has experimented with another moron, and look what has happened this time. A war of utter stupidity.

 

[a_unique_person]

There must be great sense of gratification to hate so much. Screw Lincoln, srcrew compassion, screw our better nature.

Thanks dave,

Your nic suits you.

Screw some liberals.

Lincoln and Reagan and the same thread? He would be turning in his grave to see what the Republican Party has been reduced to. In one hundred years time, people will still be reading Lincoln quotes as part of their education. They won't be reading Reagan jokes about his acting days.

 

[RandFan]

Despite being on the opposite end of the political spectrum, you have once more garnered my deep respect with the above quote. I am a liberal and deeply trobled by certain aspects of Reagan's presidency. Still, I believe that he also contributed a great deal to certain GOOD turns in American and World history - his firm stand in the cold war not the least among them. I could never understand the protesters in my own home country (Germany) who did not want Pershings stationed here - fortunately, our then-chancellor Helmut Schmidt stood firm against his own political party in allowing them on German soil.

For Reagan's contributions to woldwide peace (ahieved through great risk) and liberty, I am willing to forgive his misdeeds (Iran-Contra et al) which we can't change toady anymore ANYWAY. I respect him as an American president who did his best in service to the country - even though he clearly violated the law in his pursuit to do so and should have been stopped (impeached) at that point.

Best ones and a salute to Mr. Reagan,
- m.

Thank you,

I know that Liberals are human like anyone else. It's nice to know that there are some that truly value compassion and tolerance and not just play lip service. I know that there are those who honestly disagreed with the policies of Reagan. I don't have any problem with that. I don't even have a problem with vocalizing those disagreements shortly after he died.

I have a real problem with people who preach compassion or hold an ideology that preaches compassion and then spew hate on the day or day after this man has died. I'm simply not capable of that. I could not spit on someone's grave or mock a dead person who was loved by so many on the day that person died.

Please note these same people will be crying fowl when Republicans or conservatives spew their hate at Carter when he dies. Please note that I will take those a$$holes to task also.

 

[RandFan]

Look, if everyone accepted what an idiot he was, I wouldn't have a problem with all this.

If everyone accepted what a complest a$$hole and intolerant jerk you are I wouldn't have a problem with you.

 

[RandFan]

There was nothing great about him. He represents a dark day in American history.

You are entitled to your opinion. It does not change the fact that you are claseless puke.

 

[RandFan]

Lincoln and Reagan and the same thread? He would be turning in his grave to see what the Republican Party has been reduced to. In one hundred years time, people will still be reading Lincoln quotes as part of their education. They won't be reading Reagan jokes about his acting days.

They will read about how Reagan took a country that was unsure of itself and reeling form the shame of Vietnam to one that was proud and willing to move forward. They will read how he defeated the Soviet Union in the cold war. The will read that his advisors told him not say anything about the Berlin wall while he was in Germany. They will read that Reagan refused to accept their ideas and told Gorbachev to dear down the wall.

No one will remember you AUP. You are nothing. Reagan will be remembered for decades if not centuries. It must piss you off to no end. That is the only consolation that I have for your pathetic musings and lack of compassion or decency.

 

[evildave]

There must be great sense of gratification to hate so much. Screw Lincoln, srcrew compassion, screw our better nature.

Thanks dave,

Your nic suits you.

Screw some liberals.

Did Reagan say that? Oh, I see.

So, you don't want to post a quote then? Not even a positive one?

As I have already pointed out: Reagan, Bush Sr., Dubya, all spent more money than they took in. That is extremely liberal spending. They all want to make sure the nation is changed into a theocracy. That's liberal social policy. They said they wanted to dismantle/change social programs. Highly liberal.

I simply want the government to STOP growing, to take in more than it needs for a few years and get rid of a few trillion dollars of debt. Under 'Dubya' right now, the government has grown by leaps and bounds, with new armies of secret agents to spy on its own citizens. Pretty outlandishly liberal.

Remember Clinton? He managed a historic budget surplus. You know what that makes him? Conservative.

Reagan was a Liberal.

 

[RandFan]

Did Reagan say that? Oh, I see.

So, you don't want to post a quote then? Not even a positive one?

I quoted Lincoln and Longfellow who urged compassion and forgiveness. Sorry if you don't give a $hit about that.

As I have already pointed out: Reagan, Bush Sr., Dubya, all spent more money than they took in. That is extremely liberal spending. They all want to make sure the nation is changed into a theocracy. That's liberal social policy. They said they wanted to dismantle/change social programs. Highly liberal.

I'm not saying whether they are conservative or liberal at this point. That is not at all my point. Only that Liberals have a tradition of compassion and forgiveness. I believe in it. I just don't think there are many liberals who do.

Reagan is dead. I don't think criticism is necassary right now but I'm willing to keep my mouth shut about that. It's the hatred and malicious contempt of a man who is loved by many but that fact is ignored by some who see their own egos as more important right now. I think people like you are the exception. I hope that is so.

 

[Cleon]

This thread is going nowhere. Everybody is simply flaming each other.

Can we find something more productive to do? Like, I dunno, masturbating with a cheese grater?

 

[RandFan]

I have my own feelings about this day. They are probably obvious from my posts. Christ said, "don't cast your perls before swine least they trample on them.

Fools rush in...

O Captain! my Captain! our fearful trip is done,
The ship has weather'd every rack, the prize we sought is won,
The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring;
But O heart! heart! heart!
O the bleeding drops of red,
Where on the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.


O Captain! my Captain! rise up and hear the bells;
Rise up--for you the flag is flung--for you the bugle trills,
For you bouquets and ribbon'd wreaths--for you the shores a-crowding,
For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning;
Here Captain! dear father!
This arm beneath your head!
It is some dream that on the deck,
You've fallen cold and dead.


My Captain does not answer, his lips are pale and still,
My father does not feel my arm, he has no pulse nor will,
The ship is anchor'd safe and sound, its voyage closed and done,
From fearful trip the victor ship comes in with object won;
Exult O shores, and ring O bells!
But I with mournful tread,
Walk the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.

Walt Whitman (1819-1892)

 

[a_unique_person]

If everyone accepted what a complest a$$hole and intolerant jerk you are I wouldn't have a problem with you.

Show me just *one* news report along the lines of what was said about Nixon when he died. One report that acknowledges that.

Take this crap from CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/06/legacy.politics/index.html

"To conservatives, 1980 is the year one," said Bill Schneider, CNN's senior senior political analyst. "Nothing of importance happened before 1980, before Ronald Reagan. And the whole conservative movement and even those Republicans who aren't part of it, all of them came from Ronald Reagan. Rudy Giuliani, Colin Powell, John McCain.

"They were all, in some way or another, Reaganites. They all came from under Reagan's umbrella. So the whole Republican Party traces its lineage, its legitimacy to this one man."

As president, Reagan's priorities were building the U.S. military, lowering taxes and reducing the size and scope of government. Under him, the U.S. deficit also grew at record levels -- something the current Congress finds itself grappling with anew.

Reagan's imprimatur extended to two voting trends that persist today.

Placing Reagan above Lincoln in the history of the Republican party. A bried reference to 'scandal'. How about the ultimate scandal, the US placing a moron on a pedestal, treating him as the father of the modern republican party. A minor man worthy of minor respect, who was not above siding with McCarthy in the pursuit of 'communists', who dealt with the Contras, one of the worst groups of bandits in Central American history, being treated as a statesman. He was nothing of the sort.

If he is the creator of anything, it is the current presidency, where another ignoramus has done exactly what Reagan would have done if he were still president. America, the strongest country in the world, led by a dolt. If you want to know how it appears to the rest of the world, look at what Yeltsin did for Russia.

 

[RandFan]

If he is the creator of anything, it is the current presidency, where another ignoramus has done exactly what Reagan would have done if he were still president. America, the strongest country in the world, led by a dolt. If you want to know how it appears to the rest of the world, look at what Yeltsin did for Russia.

If you want to know what a mean and spiteful jerk is look in the mirror. Then read your posts. You are a sad little person.

 

[a_unique_person]

Reagan had the ability to be mean and spiteful, and convince the gullible he was warm and loving.

 

[a_unique_person]

This thread is going nowhere. Everybody is simply flaming each other.

Can we find something more productive to do? Like, I dunno, masturbating with a cheese grater?

When I look back over it, it is a perfect tribute to the man. The Skeptics rise up and say it for what it is. I saw that ad about 'It's morning in America', and postman does his rounds. A thread like this is the perfect antidote to the politics of ignorant sentiment.

 

[a_unique_person]

They will read about how Reagan took a country that was unsure of itself and reeling form the shame of Vietnam to one that was proud and willing to move forward. They will read how he defeated the Soviet Union in the cold war. The will read that his advisors told him not say anything about the Berlin wall while he was in Germany. They will read that Reagan refused to accept their ideas and told Gorbachev to dear down the wall.

He took a country that was unsure of itself, and convinced it that there was no need for critical thinking or self criticism. Fast forward, the US arrives in Iraq, and is humiliated again.

No one will remember you AUP. You are nothing. Reagan will be remembered for decades if not centuries. It must piss you off to no end. That is the only consolation that I have for your pathetic musings and lack of compassion or decency.

How did Reagan make the US get over the shame of Vietnam? By telling them they could just forget it, and act like nothing happened. People like Carter actually tried to get the US to face up to itself, and he was crucified for it. A humane and intelligent man like Carter is now a considered to be an idiot, but Reagan is a modern statesman, only he could never read or understand a briefing, and fell asleep when at an important conference, not once, but habitually.

Wake up, Randfan, mourn him if you want, that's your business, but this attitude of regarding him as a great leader, you might want to dig a bit deeper.