Romney would increase military spending by $2.1 trillion

[eeyore1954]

Obama didn't know the full extent to which you GOPers had ********** the economy. Plans are what you wanted to do before you do the things reality forces on you.

That is a silly excuse. He had been in office for a month and the big melt down was in Sept about 6 months before. If he did know the full extent he should not have made the statement.

 

[BenBurch]

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So fine, it's no imposition on the poor. It's also no real form of national defense in the modern world.

I strongly disagree. You notice all the trouble we have had with operations in Somalia? Mostly small-arms there but everybody seems to have them.

In the unlikely event that somebody tried to invade, and if the Navy and Air Force (which would remain professional services) could not sink all the landing craft, do you think that Americans would lay down for it? If so, you have a much worse opinion of Americans than I do.

Seriously, with an armed and marginally trained militia, any invader would need to either nuke us or fight for every village and every crossroads. And the invaders would LOSE.

 

[Biscuit]

Sorry, they were both obviously sarcasm. No one believes conservatives hate freedom. Come on Zig. That's just absurd.

Obviously! They only hate other peoples freedom.

 

[Dumb All Over]

I see propoganda inducing paranoia is hitting home with some people. Nobody wants to nuke anybody, and Iran hasn't even got nuclear weapons. Don't believe the hype or it'll be Iraq mk11 the next time the GOP buy their way into the white house.

I love clarity. You believe Iran has no intention or desire of utterly destroying Israel? Is that correct?

 

[Ziggurat]

I strongly disagree. You notice all the trouble we have had with operations in Somalia? Mostly small-arms there but everybody seems to have them.

Somalia isn't actually capable of protecting itself, in case you haven't noticed.

In the unlikely event that somebody tried to invade, and if the Navy and Air Force (which would remain professional services)

You didn't say that before.

could not sink all the landing craft, do you think that Americans would lay down for it? If so, you have a much worse opinion of Americans than I do.

You say that like a full-scale invasion is the only possible threat we face. It's not.

 

[Ziggurat]

Sorry, they were both obviously sarcasm. No one believes conservatives hate freedom. Come on Zig. That's just absurd.

No, it wasn't sarcasm.

 

[BenBurch]

No, it wasn't sarcasm.

We have had the so-called "conservatives" in this country saying that anybody who opposes them "hates freedom" for so many years that it has become a cliche. You can't have been unaware of that?

 

[Dumb All Over]

It would be nice to know that if you are ever in a car accident that you are driving an M1-Abrams tank.

Friend RandFan, my irony/satire/sarcasm/falacy translation unit is on the blink and can't be repaired until next week. My apologies. If you could help me figure out what your post is trying to illustrate, I'd be most appreciative.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Obama also offered to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. His credibility on the budget is... lacking.

Because Obama got his way wrt to tax policy and setting the budget?

In fact, he continued to "compromise" by accepting GOP demands which they in turn then rejected to make newer demands (up to and including the Norquist demand).

 

[RandFan]

I love clarity. You believe Iran has no intention or desire of utterly destroying Israel? Is that correct?

I seriously doubt that they are idiotic enough to actually do that even if America wasn't Israel's ally. But we are and we could cut our military in half or and still decimate Iran with only conventional weapons. That's without the aid of any other nation. Which we would get BTW. So yeah, clarity, you are paranoid.

 

[Ziggurat]

We have had the so-called "conservatives" in this country saying that anybody who opposes them "hates freedom" for so many years that it has become a cliche. You can't have been unaware of that?

What, you're going to use a tu quoque defense? That accusation about hating freedom was crap then (I never made it, and I never defended it), this accusation is crap now. But past crap doesn't clean up present crap.

 

[RandFan]

Friend RandFan, my irony/satire/sarcasm/falacy translation unit is on the blink and can't be repaired until next week. My apologies. If you could help me figure out what your post is trying to illustrate, I'd be most appreciative.

My dear friend dumb all over,

Overkill. More than is needed. We could safely cut our military in half and rationally not fear Armageddon.

The odds of you dying in a car are far higher than you dying from Iran bombing Israel. So have a coke and a smile, drive safely and you will likely be okay.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Friend RandFan, my irony/satire/sarcasm/falacy translation unit is on the blink and can't be repaired until next week. My apologies. If you could help me figure out what your post is trying to illustrate, I'd be most appreciative.

I'm not sure, but I took it as an illustration of the absurdity of the principle of "at any cost". We could minimize the danger of motor vehicle collisions if we all drove tanks--as long as we don't consider the cost at all.

That's how I took it anyway.

ETA: Just read RandFan's reply, and I see I wasn't too far off.

 

[BenBurch]

What, you're going to use a tu quoque defense? That accusation about hating freedom was crap then (I never made it, and I never defended it), this accusation is crap now. But past crap doesn't clean up present crap.

What goes around comes around.

 

[Ziggurat]

Because Obama got his way wrt to tax policy and setting the budget?

So now your defense is that Obama was powerless to keep his past promises, even though he really, really meant to. Yeah, still not seeing how that's supposed to indicate that he will keep his present promises. It seems to suggest the opposite: he will remain powerless to do so in the future.

But let's recap: you've now offered two excuses for past broken promises: Obama was ignorant and he was powerless. Nothing seems to have changed on either front, nor are there any signs it will change. So both of these excuses undermine confidence in present promises as well.

 

[Ziggurat]

What goes around comes around.

So you concede that the accusation is false, but you still think it was deserved. Got it. Your interest in the truth is subservient to your partisan interests.

 

[Dumb All Over]

Really, what exactly does "fully funded military" mean?

A simplistic answer might be a military equipped enough to assure military victory over those we might be at war with. Let's start there and see where it goes.

 

[RandFan]

A simplistic answer might be a military equipped enough to assure military victory over those we might be at war with. Let's start there and see where it goes.

Half of what we have now is too much but lets start there and see where that goes.

 

[BenBurch]

So you concede that the accusation is false, but you still think it was deserved. Got it. Your interest in the truth is subservient to your partisan interests.

No, I just like to see pain returned. Doesn't mean I agree with it, just that I am sadistic.

 

[Bad Lieutenant]

I love clarity. You believe Iran has no intention or desire of utterly destroying Israel? Is that correct?

The SNP has the intention of utterly destroying the United Kingdom, but nobody's suggesting nuclear weapons will be deployed - that would be silly, when all they want is for the government of the land to reform. On another note, Jerusalem is an extremely holy site in Islam; I don't think an Islamic theocracy like Iran would contaminate that land with nuclear radiation under any circumstance.