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Romney, Obama, Rasmussen

maxpower1227 said:
Domino's? The company that - on top of racking up enormous debt - was run so badly they were forced to run an ad campaign essentially saying "Hey, guys, sorry we've sucked so unbelievably hard for so long. We promise we don't suck any more"?
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They weren't really "forced" to do that. They chose to do that, and it is considered in the industry as a BRILLIANT marketing move.
 
BenBurch said:
Did it work?
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YES

They sold a crapload more than they did before.

That's the goal of marketing. To get people to buy stuff.

It was brilliant. They took crappy pizza and changed it, told everyone it was better, and they bought it. Doesn't matter whether it was better or not, people bought it. In fact, if it isn't any better it all the more demonstrates the success of their marketing campaign. The product is just as bad, but you sell a lot more. Cha-ching! That's what marketing is all about.
 
BenBurch said:
Did it work? I ate one slice of their execrable pizza after that announcement, and if anything it was worse than before.
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I hate Domino's' pizza, but I love their hot wings. Always a conundrum when deciding what pizza to order...
 
MattusMaximus said:
Sinking? That implies Obama's numbers are continuing to go down, but they aren't. He took a hit on IEM as well over the weekend, though his numbers have stopped declining and have reversed a bit in the last 24 hours. I noticed the same pattern on Intrade just a few minutes ago.

The interesting thing to me is to see that his bundled poll numbers over at RCP don't seem to have shifted downwards at all. In fact, they seem to have gone up by about 0.2-0.4% in the last week, though this probably means little to nothing since that's well within the noise level.
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Down to 52.1 today. Like I said, and sinking.
 
The electoral map is still showing quite positively for Obama, with the only recent change being WI changing from "leans Dem" to "toss up". Polls however seem to be leaning nearly more or less unanimously toward Obama, though, despite the fact that they just re-elected scumbag Walker. Can anyone make sense of that?
 
maxpower1227 said:
The electoral map is still showing quite positively for Obama, with the only recent change being WI changing from "leans Dem" to "toss up". Polls however seem to be leaning nearly more or less unanimously toward Obama, though, despite the fact that they just re-elected scumbag Walker. Can anyone make sense of that?
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60% of those voting thought recall should only be for official misconduct.

A fair position to take and one that does not say how you plan to vote in November.
 
RandFan said:
Wow. Simply stunning straw men. Good job easy. Attack positions that people don't hold. It's not very novel and it's not valid but I suppose it's fun in it's own way.
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Well, when you say ridiculous statements like yours you should expect to get parodied and made fun of. BTW, nice to know you agree with Dick Cheney and that deficits don't matter. lol.

maxpower1227 said:
though, despite the fact that they just re-elected scumbag Walker. Can anyone make sense of that?
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Yep, a very happy day for me that Walker won by a bigger margin than the previous election he had with the same guy. I'm a big Walker fan. Taking it to those greedy unions big time! People are coming to their senses now that the bloom is off the "Obama infatuation" rose. Sad to see that $16 million was wasted on this recall election that was nothing more than a left-wing temper tantrum
 
easycruise said:
Yep, a very happy day for me that Walker won by a bigger margin than the previous election he had with the same guy. I'm a big Walker fan. Taking it to those greedy unions big time! People are coming to their senses now that the bloom is off the "Obama infatuation" rose. Sad to see that $16 million was wasted on this recall election that was nothing more than a left-wing temper tantrum
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That's nice. What part of that explained Obama's lead in the Wisconsin polls?
 
easycruise said:
Well, when you say ridiculous statements like yours you should expect to get parodied and made fun of. BTW, nice to know you agree with Dick Cheney and that deficits don't matter.
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A.) Government isn't a business and it shouldn't be run like one. Asserting that the statement is ridiculous doesn't make it so. Do you have an argument. B.) You are still engaging in straw men. Please to show where I said "deficits don't matter"? Of course deficits matter but they are significant relevant to GDP.
 
RandFan said:
When Obama took office unemployment was rising. Now it is declining.
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You ignore that labor force participation rate has been and continues to drop badly under Obama.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

Lower unemployment by having an additional 2.5% of the population drop out of the work force is NOT selling point for Obama efforts.

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We were in recession and not we are expanding. The DOW was 8000 now it's 12000.
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Did you imagine recessions last forever ? This is just another business cycle - tho' a severely deep one. Growth is anemic and tenuous. The question is clearly are Obama's policies preventing a robust recovery ?

What you are ignoring are the components of GDP - Gov spending is up and business investment is down. That does not describe a healthy growing economy. It describes an economy on life support.


Well 2008 Obama wanted us to be more like France - and with high structural unemployment massive social spending and anemic growth - it looks like he succeeded.


We were in one very serious hole thanks to all of that biz/finance experience of the "experts".
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Such nonsense. It's so easy to ascribe problems to nefarious individuals when you've failed to understand what happened. It was a bubble - just like the dot-com bubble but bigger. Your need to look for personal villains speaks to primitive economic thinking based on cartoonish views.




Sorry, but the last thing we need is a business person who only knows how to sell off the assets and lay people off to increase dividends.
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Is that all Bain capital did ? You really believe that ? Did you know Mittens' has done a lot besides Bain ? Whereas Obama's relevant experience in the private sector is what exactly ?


Government isn't a business and it shouldn't be run like one.
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No one suggested government should be run quite like a business - so thanks for the straw-man. Further no sensible person attributes all of the economy to the emperor errr president. So what qualities does Obama have that prepares him to address the economy ? Stop switching the topic.

I'm no Romney fan - but Romney seems to have a clear advantage in finance, econ background, organizational skills and understanding of the private sector. Obama fails badly along these lines. Romney appears to be fairly middle of the road politically while Obama has some occasional outbursts of radical leftism.

I don't think either of these yahoos cares a jot about civil liberties and a constitutional limited government. It's not clear which one is the bigger war-monger - they both lose on that account. It's the lesser of two weasels choice again..
 
stevea said:
What you are ignoring are the components of GDP - Gov spending is up and business investment is down. That does not describe a healthy growing economy. It describes an economy on life support.
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Obama inherited a nightmare and the indicators have turned around. That's not debatable.

Such nonsense. It's so easy to ascribe problems to nefarious individuals when you've failed to understand what happened. It was a bubble - just like the dot-com bubble but bigger. Your need to look for personal villains speaks to primitive economic thinking based on cartoonish views.
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First off, a straw man and nonsense. Yes there was a bubble, a bubble that was the result of misfeasance. I'm not looking for anyone nefarious (that's all in your head). I'm simply pointing out the realities of failure to lead and the greed of those who packaged lousy investments in complex derivatives. It was entirely unnecessary and the result of ignoring lessons learned from the Great Depression.

Is that all Bain capital did ? You really believe that ? Did you know Mittens' has done a lot besides Bain ? Whereas Obama's relevant experience in the private sector is what exactly ?
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Romney is running away from everything other than Bain. Obama doesn't need experience in the private sector. We've sufficient history to know that is just a red herring.

I'm no Romney fan - but Romney seems to have a clear advantage in finance, econ background, organizational skills and understanding of the private sector.
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There's no basis to presuppose that experience in the private sector is at all necessary for a president to effectively govern. That's just ad hoc rationalization.
 
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